aceinthesky1

where do I begin…i will try to be as honest without throwing the union under the bus.
no real movement on the contract, the company is stonewalling but nothing is being done to hold them accountable except holding contract meetings all over the country in an effort to frustrate management.

one of the first questions was to address operations and what is being done to fix it. Arriving to an airport, no gates available, no ramp crew, no gate agents, no one at ops answering the radio or responding on acars, etc. operating in hot environments with no apu, hot ground air, and the pilots being blamed for being late.

The response was that the company has been made aware of these things, but nothing is being done to fix it. What is the union doing?

Another issue that came up was the day trips. The Flight Attendants union has filed a suit with respect to contractual work rules. The question was why hasn’t ALPA filed a suit for the pilots? Answer: we don’t want to waste resources on a frivolous suite that will probably get thrown out anyways. ‘Not word for word’ but you get the message.

Boasted about the turn out for the townhall. 147 out of 2145 pilots were on. So…

boast about how many open grievances we have. 1700 ish, most in the US.
Earned approx $75 million on the last contract for grievances. About $55,000 per pilot. Not sure what relevance that has for the next contract, but there you go.

No real confidence that a new contract will come anytime soon.

ReserveCA

as expected........CALL FOR A DANM STATUS MEETING!

covid19

No problems with working less on your own. Huge problem doing less work after some blowhard on the internet suggests people work less. Now the union needs to show they actively opposed this illegal work action.

F9 Driver

What exactly do you expect the union to be doing about the company's failings with respect to performance and staffing? We are already the lowest paid for our work and you want us to do more to help them?

The grievence process is spelled in the CBA and by the NMB. The company continues to violate the CBA and we rack up grievences. How is that fact a "boast"?

I get the impression that you don't understand how negotiations work under the RLA. You obviously don't approve of what is happening. What would you do differently if you were running things?

aceinthesky1

I hit a nerve…
you are correct I don’t fully understand how negotiations work. I logged in and listened for an hour and a half. I wasn’t happy with a lot of the responses to the questions presented. I was giving my honest opinion on a townhall that i feel did not give me much confidence in what is happening at our company.

contract time line? Pay, benefits
grievance?
work conditions? Day trips
if the company is violating the cba why isn’t something being done about it?

if you google airline unions: Airline unions allow employees to negotiate better pay, benefits, working conditions, and safety on the job. Unions also give employees a stronger position when dealing with airline management by allowing them to address issues as a united front.
Again i am really asking, what is the union doing?
ask anyone not holding a union position what they thought of the townhall and you will get similiar thought.

what woukd I do? Hold their feet to the fire

Nacho Libre

I know that the slow pace is frustrating. Just remember that the Union needs solidarity to get us the best contract possible. Don’t pass the Company’s shortcomings off on the Union. Talk to your reps and ask your questions, expect more frustration before things improve. If you see a contract violation point it out and file another grievance.
Ask your coworkers about the roadmap, ask about the process, get involved, support the Union, and wear a lanyard, Be professional at work and do YOUR job!

Nemack85

Any chance for you guys to ride the flight attendant willingness to strike for the company changes and try to obtain a better contract?

bluespoon

Isnt frontier fighting for its survival right now?

F9 Driver

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000661423069

What you did was show where there is a need for education in the face of a frustrating process. We are hiring a lot of pilots for whom this is their first union job, first flying job outside of CFI, and for some - their first ever job.

Pilots new to this process are hurting us all by sounding off before educating themselves. The union sends out tons of comms, has podcasts, airport sits, PUB events, and the DART system to get questions answered.

When I hear pilots asking for "the union" to hold the company's feet to the fire, I hear someone who hasn't educated themselves about the process. We are bound by the grievance process set out in the contract. There isn't anything more to "be done about it."

The AFA is making a lot of noise to appease the FAs about status quo violations (hint - changing the complexion of the pairings isn't one) and Major disputes (where none exist) triggering some sort of self-help. They've done a disservice to their members and wasted a bunch of their money.

Stayontarget

Not like people think we are. While I expect negative updated guidance for the remainder of the year, the last guidance we got was 3-6% margin on the year. We get our report card Friday.