How long for a contract?
04-14-2024, 07:38 AM
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And yet if they all worked together, in unity, to not pick up every second of open time the premium would flow like water. And perhaps if they worked together, in unity, to not pick up that premium in 0.02 seconds the payout for that premium would go higher. Other surprising benefits may begin to show up beyond that. It sounds impossible at this point but that’s exactly how it used to happen just two years ago. People used to drop their schedules and just wait. It was a glorious time where by working together everybody made their own lives better.
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Planedrive got all high and mighty about me saying just pick up the premium. But, that’s like trying to bail water on the Titanic to get it to port. There’s still a giant gaping hole in the damn thing.
If you really wanna stick it to Barry, if you really want more premium open time, stop picking up so much for godd#mn straight pay.
Hows about that for running for union office?
04-15-2024, 01:26 PM
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This really is a silly argument. You're not wrong in what you're saying, but we have 2100+ pilots. Does anyone really think we could get ALL of them to not pick up ANY open time? I doubt we could get 210 to stop. Unity like that from a group that VOTED IN the current contract at 70% last cycle?
The original conversation was regarding picking up premium and not doing it.
All I said was don’t cry about premium, if you’re going to turn a blind eye to straight pay open time.
I wasn’t advocating for the pilot group (as you said) to engage in any sort of collective action to subvert the system. In fact that would probably be trouble.
04-15-2024, 01:48 PM
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I think there are a number of changes in the training department to accommodate the issues cadets are having and some of those changes can't happen without the union being onboard. That could be the leverage needed to move things along.
04-15-2024, 02:17 PM
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04-15-2024, 05:04 PM
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I recall when the Company wanted to change the “oral” portion of a PC and PT to CBT. That way they could jam more stuff on our already overwhelming And unrealistic LOS and UPRT. I personally wouldn’t mind that orals are very subjective. I can answer multiple choice questions better and focus on more
important things. The union said sure but you have to pay us. Guess how that ended up?
important things. The union said sure but you have to pay us. Guess how that ended up?
04-16-2024, 12:25 AM
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I recall when the Company wanted to change the “oral” portion of a PC and PT to CBT. That way they could jam more stuff on our already overwhelming And unrealistic LOS and UPRT. I personally wouldn’t mind that orals are very subjective. I can answer multiple choice questions better and focus on more
important things. The union said sure but you have to pay us. Guess how that ended up?
important things. The union said sure but you have to pay us. Guess how that ended up?
Yeah we do. 17 hours of pay for 5 days being gone for a PC is a joke as well. I was just talking with someone the other day how our LOS events are unrealistic and let’s just throw as much crap as possible to see how they handle it. It would be nice if it was more real world applicable.
04-16-2024, 04:20 AM
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04-16-2024, 07:29 AM
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04-16-2024, 07:50 AM
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It’s frustrating no doubt. Keep in mind sometimes at some point you need to get something done or there’s a chance an arbitrator could force a much worse agreement. You would need to know other carrier agreements, past practice and our current agreement and compare them to the loa that was done to determine if you believe it’s worth rolling the dice in arbitration and potentially ending up with a worse deal. Stone walling forever isn’t really an option.
04-16-2024, 07:50 AM
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The SJU LOA was a litmus test to show the negotiating skills of the NC. Or lack there of.
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