How long for a contract?
01-12-2024, 12:24 PM
#352
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 427
“Finally, the company stated that they didn’t think legacy rates are appropriate at Frontier (naming Sun Country, Allegiant and Spirit as our closest peers), that we need to acknowledge that our business model does not generate the revenue of other carriers, and that the company simply cannot afford what ALPA is asking for.”
And there it is. As plain as day. For those who were arguing that this was never stated before.
And there it is. As plain as day. For those who were arguing that this was never stated before.
01-12-2024, 12:56 PM
#353
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 35
“Finally, the company stated that they didn’t think legacy rates are appropriate at Frontier (naming Sun Country, Allegiant and Spirit as our closest peers), that we need to acknowledge that our business model does not generate the revenue of other carriers, and that the company simply cannot afford what ALPA is asking for.”
And there it is. As plain as day. For those who were arguing that this was never stated before.
And there it is. As plain as day. For those who were arguing that this was never stated before.
Thus far, what substantive gains has the F9 MEC/Negotiating Committe achieved since opening negotiations?
Last edited by monkeyboy511; 01-12-2024 at 01:07 PM.
01-12-2024, 01:19 PM
#354
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: Joystick Operator
Posts: 886
Also, BB and BL making the same as their "peers"???
Barry Biffle - Frontier Airlines $3.75 million $2.55 million
Ted Christie - Spirit Airlines $3.17 million $2.45 million
Maurice Gallagher, Jr. - Allegiant Air $3 million $1.75 million
Jude Bricker - Sun Country Airlines $794,000n/a****
Would you look at that... Seems like we should shave some more pay off of BB's paycheck so he can be compensated to his "peers", lets see how he likes it. He had one job, that was to turn us profitable, make money and merge with Spirit, he failed and he has no idea what he is doing now. I think his pay should reflect that, I know the stock price and moral of employees is.
01-12-2024, 01:19 PM
#355
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Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,283
The Spirit pay scale argument can be scratched out because that is only a temporary scale and is about to be JB pay scale anyway.
The Allegiant pay scale argument can be scratched because they are in negotiations. Hopefully they can hold strong.
Does anybody know if the Sun Country pay scale on APC is up to date?
Fly the contract.
The Allegiant pay scale argument can be scratched because they are in negotiations. Hopefully they can hold strong.
Does anybody know if the Sun Country pay scale on APC is up to date?
Fly the contract.
01-12-2024, 01:28 PM
#356
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: Joystick Operator
Posts: 886
The Spirit pay scale argument can be scratched out because that is only a temporary scale and is about to be JB pay scale anyway.
The Allegiant pay scale argument can be scratched because they are in negotiations. Hopefully they can hold strong.
Does anybody know if the Sun Country pay scale on APC is up to date?
Fly the contract.
The Allegiant pay scale argument can be scratched because they are in negotiations. Hopefully they can hold strong.
Does anybody know if the Sun Country pay scale on APC is up to date?
Fly the contract.
Sun Country pilots have voted to approve a new TA:
Retirement:
- 15% Direct Contribution.
737 CA Pay Rates:
- Top of Scale: $260.91/hr
A330 CA Pay Rates:
- Top of Scale: $302.96/hr
B767 CA Pay Rates:
- Top of Scale: $281.87/hr
737 FO:
- First Year: $78.90/hr
- Second Year: $114.71/hr
- 12 Year: $173.13/hr
A330 FO Pay Rates
- First Year: $97.72/hr
- Second Year: $151.96/hr
- 12 Year: $209.40/hr
B767 FO Pay Rates
- First Year: $90.72/hr
- Second Year: $141.40/hr
- 12 Year: $155.40/hr
Other Benefits
- ALPA duty pilot to be in scheduling 24/7
01-12-2024, 01:53 PM
#357
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 60
Well to fly a 321neo or XLR it’s $320 and a 320neo is $312 first year captian. 319/320 is $310. I’m no expert but considering you can get a captian bid in class right now and fly 350 hours from the right seat and then go to the left seat I’d say you’d break even within 18 months and that’s being generous. Not to mention a higher retirement contribution amongst other things.
01-12-2024, 02:13 PM
#358
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,034
Narrowbody captain: If you did not get captain in indoc and you would get it while on probation and activated when you start your second year, second year narrowbody captain pay will be over $345/hr.
17% DC to 401k, going to 18% next year.
Then there’s profit sharing.
If you can take the hit in the first year, you will be financially even very quickly.
01-12-2024, 02:21 PM
#359
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: Hot tub
Posts: 1,389
Well to fly a 321neo or XLR it’s $320 and a 320neo is $312 first year captian. 319/320 is $310. I’m no expert but considering you can get a captian bid in class right now and fly 350 hours from the right seat and then go to the left seat I’d say you’d break even within 18 months and that’s being generous. Not to mention a higher retirement contribution amongst other things.
have to consider QOL
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