Powderkeg

These words won’t age well come month 23 of negotiations…

Aero1900

Lol. I was thinking the same thing

buzzer

Most likely the age will quickly change for ICAO/other countries if it changes here.

TransWorld

Agreed. Copycat is very common in the industry.

Gary et al

I agree they will likely change. The question is how quickly. Suffice to say, this time is certainly different than the last.

buzzer

I've heard (no proof) that it's already being worked on. Some countries have no age limit (Australia) while others are already at 67 so I figure it's just a matter of time even though it's political/$$ issue more than anything else.

Mooneyguy

Here comes Biffle and the scare tactics.
it’s started, low bookings, the economy, the cryptic email about putting people into the pool.
get ready folks. It’s coming. I guarantee he is about to unload even more.
it’s a tactic pure and simple. Keep that in mind when he pours out even more doom and gloom.
he is simply trying to negotiate a lower contract!!!
the economy…sorry Barry the DL CEO called you out on that and even trolled you about your lazy work from home employees.
Bookings? Of course our loads are light, as soon as summer is over they have ALWAYS dropped. The holidays historically have never been our best time either. Summer and spring break are our biggest time.
Putting applicants in a pool. Right!!! The current system bid is for 56 new hires, what did they put 4? Just so they could put out that email, knowing full well it would spread like wild fire.
the ULCC has not even come close to its max potential in the US. If we are loosing booking beyond normal right now it’s 100% Barry biffles fault.
so when they come spread more doom and gloom get ready, because within a month maybe two afterwards they will present an offer to alpa. It will be a little better than what we have now, but it will be a terrible offer. Don’t fall for the fear.

spooldup

I always just imagine how well we would be doing and absolutely THRIVING if we had competent management and weren't losing pilots.... Just like Southwest, textbook how to treat your employees and customers to grow a company.

We do the opposite. I will not be giving ANYTHING up because of "The economy" when other airlines are doing just fine with their contracts. Its the price to play, thats how business works.

Xdashdriver

Pretty sure very few in the C-suite are even thinking much about the pilot contract yet, let alone causing seismic shifts in the stock price just to scare the pilots by going on TV. Interestingly enough, I never heard him on TV trying to scare the pilots last time. He never threatened to defer orders or send them to other carriers or any kind of doom and gloom in public. He kept all the posturing to the negotiating room. I would also hazard a guess he knows that pouring out too much doom and gloom too early on will just accelerate the attrition to other carriers although I will reserve the right to be wrong on that one. The smart move on management's part in the early stages is to put a positive spin on negotiations by talking about the TAs on less significant areas of the contract, hence the videos they've put out.

turbojet28

Lol - I know, right? I love when pilots just can’t stop thinking that everything revolves around them. Yeah, I’m sure Biffle is going around issuing 8-Ks and taking fire at investor conferences while lowering the market cap of the business by about a billion dollars in just a few months simply in order to scare the pilots into taking a few less bucks per hour.