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Old 09-01-2023, 12:13 PM
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They won’t and they can’t. We will not grow until the legacies slow hiring significantly or management straightens up and gets this thing righted, and with an industry standard contract.
Enter Franke’s ace in the hole…Age 67. Coming to a theater near you.
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Old 09-01-2023, 02:28 PM
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Enter Franke’s ace in the hole…Age 67. Coming to a theater near you.
Idk if age 67 is an ace, maybe like a liir of 8s, it helps, but we have some pretty big issues on the demand side of the business.
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Enter Franke’s ace in the hole…Age 67. Coming to a theater near you.
Who would legacies rather hire? Frontier pilots or regional/cfi/135 pilots? Even if age 67 cut hiring in half for a year or 2 I don’t think it would change the amount of Frontier guys being able to get hired.
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Old 09-01-2023, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
Who would legacies rather hire? Frontier pilots or regional/cfi/135 pilots? Even if age 67 cut hiring in half for a year or 2 I don’t think it would change the amount of Frontier guys being able to get hired.
All he needs is attrition to get cut by half. Still a lot of pilots leaving but it buys him 2 years of rock bottom wages. China will invade Taiwan about that time and he’s golden for 3 more years. The dude lives for the long game. Literally, too.
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All he needs is attrition to get cut by half. Still a lot of pilots leaving but it buys him 2 years of rock bottom wages. China will invade Taiwan about that time and he’s golden for 3 more years. The dude lives for the long game. Literally, too.
This guy over here’s. Wicked smaaaat. Stock advice, real estate, vaccinations, and blackjack hands. I know I’m always getting good recommendations about these things when I talk to a pilot. Pilots are brilliant like doctors and astronauts. Not idiots like garbage men and Uber drivers.
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Old 09-01-2023, 05:34 PM
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All he needs is attrition to get cut by half. Still a lot of pilots leaving but it buys him 2 years of rock bottom wages. China will invade Taiwan about that time and he’s golden for 3 more years. The dude lives for the long game. Literally, too.
Did you even read what I wrote? Age 67 would not slow attrition by half. Not even close. Maybe helps it a few a month.
We’ll still have rock bottom wages for 2 plus years though you’re right about that.
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Old 09-01-2023, 05:39 PM
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Did you even read what I wrote? Age 67 would not slow attrition by half. Not even close. Maybe helps it a few a month.
We’ll still have rock bottom wages for 2 plus years though you’re right about that.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm not so sure. I know there's a lot of factors at play here but the last time the retirement age went up the entire industry, top to bottom, completely ground to a halt.

I spent 5+ glorious years flying a turbo prop for poverty wages waiting for the retirements to start again.

IF age 67 happens, we will see results ​​​​​
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Old 09-02-2023, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
Who would legacies rather hire? Frontier pilots or regional/cfi/135 pilots? Even if age 67 cut hiring in half for a year or 2 I don’t think it would change the amount of Frontier guys being able to get hired.
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Did you even read what I wrote? Age 67 would not slow attrition by half. Not even close. Maybe helps it a few a month.
We’ll still have rock bottom wages for 2 plus years though you’re right about that.
Huh? I’m simply disagreeing with you. If age 60-65 is any indication then yes, legacy hiring will indeed slow down which will cut, I predict, our attrition by half, even if we are the preferred source of pilots for the legacies. Legacies have already cleaned house with pilots who wanted to leave early. I bet 90%+ who didn’t take the early out will continue to age 67.

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Old 09-02-2023, 05:26 AM
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Huh? I’m simply disagreeing with you. If age 60-65 is any indication then yes, legacy hiring will indeed slow down which will cut, I predict, our attrition by half, even if we are the preferred source of pilots for the legacies. Legacies have already cleaned house with pilots who wanted to leave early. I bet 90%+ who didn’t take the early out will continue to age 67.
Legacies and SWA are starting bring back guys who took early retirement. That hasn’t slowed hiring there. Age 67 won’t that much either. It’s only 2 years.
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Huh? I’m simply disagreeing with you. If age 60-65 is any indication then yes, legacy hiring will indeed slow down which will cut, I predict, our attrition by half, even if we are the preferred source of pilots for the legacies. Legacies have already cleaned house with pilots who wanted to leave early. I bet 90%+ who didn’t take the early out will continue to age 67.

The difference this time is that we would be the only country with 67, so now those 64 yr olds will get kicked off of their widebody as most of them are on one. Sure they’ll almost certainly get paid the widebody rate to fly narrowbody…though something each property will have to negotiate if they haven’t already. But their day to day flying will significantly change and they would have to go back to training. Several likely wont want to deal with it.
Will it have an impact, yes. Though probably not very significant.
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