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Old 10-14-2023, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzer
That makes sense but how to you align that with statements I've heard that LCC's do better in a "recession"? I've heard that passengers will buy the cheap tickets as affordability goes down. Good thing I just fly airplanes!
Yeah a certain chief pilot also said repeatedly we’d love to compete with higher oil prices. We have the greenest fleet, most fuel efficient compared to everyone else. Blah blah blah.

We’ve been having higher oil prices for almost two years now. How’s it been going?

Now we’re flexing how well our model does in a recession? Gimmie a break. Nobody wants a recession. Nobody. Including ULCC.
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Old 10-14-2023, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzer
That makes sense but how to you align that with statements I've heard that LCC's do better in a "recession"? I've heard that passengers will buy the cheap tickets as affordability goes down. Good thing I just fly airplanes!
Ask yourself this: Who’s making those statements? It ain’t the economists or the experts. It’s the management of said companies. Do you think there may be some potential bs in those unsubstantiated claims?
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Old 10-14-2023, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by turbojet28
I think it’s the difference in customer bases. I think our customers are essentially in a “recession”. They are the first ones that will be hit by an economic hardship. Higher interest rates, credit card debt, and student loan repayment restarts unquestionably will have a larger affect on our customers than Delta’s. The Delta customer is a higher net-worth customer who isn’t as quick to be impacted.
Ya and those customers probably have a billion CC based airline miles at their disposal so the CC companies will keep driving their business for a long while even if there is a down turn. I thought I heard the big 4 make a billion per year in profit on CCs alone. That’s tough to compete with.
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Old 10-15-2023, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
Yeah a certain chief pilot also said repeatedly we’d love to compete with higher oil prices. We have the greenest fleet, most fuel efficient compared to everyone else. Blah blah blah.

We’ve been having higher oil prices for almost two years now. How’s it been going?

Now we’re flexing how well our model does in a recession? Gimmie a break. Nobody wants a recession. Nobody. Including ULCC.
I would also like to add this. How do you compete with Delta on fuel when they own their own Oil refinery? I’m sure that’s more beneficial over time than our small green fleet?
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Old 10-15-2023, 05:51 AM
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I would also like to add this. How do you compete with Delta on fuel when they own their own Oil refinery? I’m sure that’s more beneficial over time than our small green fleet?
Ive always heard very mixed things about the delta refinery. I don’t really know, myself.

But like most things, it’s probably more complicated of an answer than most people would understand. Or have access to the information to understand.
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Old 10-15-2023, 02:41 PM
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Ive always heard very mixed things about the delta refinery. I don’t really know, myself.

But like most things, it’s probably more complicated of an answer than most people would understand. Or have access to the information to understand.
the refinery is a dog and a money looser

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2022-09-16/
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Old 10-24-2023, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
the refinery is a dog and a money looser

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2022-09-16/
No, it's not. There have been quarters way back where broader economics have not favored the refinery. But overall, Delta sees it as a significant advantage, especially in the NE where it is located.

Last quarter the refinery made $119 Million, YTD is $384 million.

Look at Section 9 of the 10-Q of the SEC Filiing.
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Old 11-08-2023, 03:25 PM
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https://simpleflying.com/frontier-ai...eptember-2023/

Just info on the base growth since opening.
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Old 11-15-2023, 08:27 AM
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What's the latest on our PW 321's.....
just heard they are getting parked
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Old 11-15-2023, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ReserveCA
What's the latest on our PW 321's.....
just heard they are getting parked
Really ? All of them ? I do love how quiet they are, bet they’re 50 percent more quiet when you have to shut down an engine
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