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09-13-2023, 12:24 PM
#151
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Sounds like we aren't the only ones admitting high oil prices, lower bookings, reduced forecasted growth, and increased ticket prices due to increased labor costs:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ts-2023-09-13/
So don't panic, we aren't going out of business yet. Looks like other airlines are seeing problems too.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ts-2023-09-13/
So don't panic, we aren't going out of business yet. Looks like other airlines are seeing problems too.
I have definitely looked at other airlines loads and they have been lower as well. As mentioned before in another thread though I’m not just low I am WAY low on my flights. Most have been well below 50% load factor. Many near 25%.
I can see it all now. Age 67 passes on a Monday, aviation recession, immediate stop to hiring by that Friday, our contract takes an eternity.
09-13-2023, 01:12 PM
#153
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I have definitely looked at other airlines loads and they have been lower as well. As mentioned before in another thread though I’m not just low I am WAY low on my flights. Most have been well below 50% load factor. Many near 25%.
I can see it all now. Age 67 passes on a Monday, aviation recession, immediate stop to hiring by that Friday, our contract takes an eternity.
I can see it all now. Age 67 passes on a Monday, aviation recession, immediate stop to hiring by that Friday, our contract takes an eternity.
Talk is cheap, bro.
09-13-2023, 01:15 PM
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Listening to Barry’s presentation, he thinks there are clearly some dark skies on the horizon for the whole industry.
Listening to Barry’s presentation, he thinks there are clearly some dark skies on the horizon for the whole industry.
09-13-2023, 03:08 PM
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Listening to Barry’s presentation, he thinks there are clearly some dark skies on the horizon for the whole industry.
Listening to Barry’s presentation, he thinks there are clearly some dark skies on the horizon for the whole industry.
09-13-2023, 03:19 PM
#156
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Cool. Just don’t be one of those guys who comes on this website flexing about how bad this company is, and how bad the contract negotiations were back in the day. And then vote yes on the first subpar contract we get because- age 67, it took too long, it’ll take even longer, this is indigo and this is what we get, spirit is out peer group, etc etc etc.
Talk is cheap, bro.
Talk is cheap, bro.
09-13-2023, 03:22 PM
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09-13-2023, 05:27 PM
#158
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09-13-2023, 05:34 PM
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09-13-2023, 05:48 PM
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LAS, PHX for West Coast, Mexico.
MDW, DFW for mid-America, western Mexico, Cancun
ATL, PHL, Florida for East Coast, caribbean, central America
Listening to the call, sounds like
Reducing the number of redeyes (note: one less hotel room Frontier has to pay for)
Future bases "origin-centric"
fear mongering about "new COVID variant" possibly causing revenue drop industry wide
Jetblue/Spirit merger "more and more likely now"
Question from audience about "nowhere near" the desired cost control, and why? (BB blames this on FAA, etc external issues, "demand picture", etc etc)
BB says he is "hell bent on getting back to lower costs" (note: ok, new pilot contract talks will be exciting)
"more employees per plane than in 2019. Why? productivity is lower and we need to get this under control". Implied about reducing staffing and making the remaining widget makers work harder. (note: ok, so what about ATL gate agents being turned into employees? etc stuff? )
"by Spring 2024" these things should be implemented
fun stuff ahead ! Go Wild !
Last edited by hercretired; 09-13-2023 at 06:15 PM.
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