Contract 2023
#241
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 76
This. If I were pax I’d rather see my pilot looking jacked and maybe a touch of douchey (probably because they’re proud of what they’ve achieved) than sloppy, untailored, fat/unhealthy.
Last edited by nochopforboxes; 03-28-2023 at 07:58 PM.
#242
I know this won’t be the sentiment for many but…
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
and like I said, everyone comes out to slap down a beard. No, there wouldn’t be beard-growing competitions. Some guys will dabble, and grow out of it if you pardon the pun, and go back to normal. Some of us would be so relieved to have a well-manicured beard. I’ve done it for years. It suits me better than cuts, nicks, ingrown hairs, razor burn, and all the red irritated bumps from sensitive skin.
#244
Scrapeaddy beat me to it, but sorry for every “complaint” of someone wearing clothes someone thinks are tailored-too-close, there’s the overweight guy wearing pants and shirts which are sizes too large, unflatteringly cut and fitting, with the archetypal new balance shoes and giant otterbox phone strapped to his belt. Clothes that actually fit well, look lightyears better. Doesn’t have to be skin tight, but an in-shape guy wearing fitted modern cut looks better than an out-of-shape guy wearing a circus tent.
and like I said, everyone comes out to slap down a beard. No, there wouldn’t be beard-growing competitions. Some guys will dabble, and grow out of it if you pardon the pun, and go back to normal. Some of us would be so relieved to have a well-manicured beard. I’ve done it for years. It suits me better than cuts, nicks, ingrown hairs, razor burn, and all the red irritated bumps from sensitive skin.
and like I said, everyone comes out to slap down a beard. No, there wouldn’t be beard-growing competitions. Some guys will dabble, and grow out of it if you pardon the pun, and go back to normal. Some of us would be so relieved to have a well-manicured beard. I’ve done it for years. It suits me better than cuts, nicks, ingrown hairs, razor burn, and all the red irritated bumps from sensitive skin.
To your second point, I mean no disrespect, but you’re barely off of IOE. You have no idea of the pilot group or our personality. We have an amazing group of pilots here, but it is full of good ‘ole boys who don’t give a poop. Still great people, but following uniform standards to appropriately represent the profession isn’t quite something that they consider before leaving the house (a large amount are contained in the aforementioned DEN base).
Truth be told, after many years here, I’ll be making room in the left seat for another captain upgrade and leaving the animal. I have loved every minute with all of the people I’ve worked with here over the years and the pilot group is what I’ll miss the most. However, the idea of them complying with any sort of standards if allowed to grow beards makes me chuckle.
#245
Hahahaha no. It wasn’t Crispy. I actually had the opportunity to fly with him and he was actually a pretty good dude and a good pilot. I’d fly with him again in a heartbeat.
#246
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 692
I don’t disagree with your first part. There are extremes to both ends. There’s nothing wrong with a modern cut shirt and a tailored uniform. Nobody’s uniform pieces should be worn “out of the box”. Mine certainly aren’t. That’s what tailors are for. But there’s a difference between a modern touch to the traditional uniform and completely bastardizing the uniform. The person I described was on the extreme end and the way they were dressed is unacceptable in this profession. A well tailored shirt and pants with a half break with black DRESS shoes is still professional. A skin tight uniform shirt with nearly non existent sleeves, capri pants, and fuzzy sketchers is *never* acceptable.
To your second point, I mean no disrespect, but you’re barely off of IOE. You have no idea of the pilot group or our personality. We have an amazing group of pilots here, but it is full of good ‘ole boys who don’t give a poop. Still great people, but following uniform standards to appropriately represent the profession isn’t quite something that they consider before leaving the house (a large amount are contained in the aforementioned DEN base).
Truth be told, after many years here, I’ll be making room in the left seat for another captain upgrade and leaving the animal. I have loved every minute with all of the people I’ve worked with here over the years and the pilot group is what I’ll miss the most. However, the idea of them complying with any sort of standards if allowed to grow beards makes me chuckle.
To your second point, I mean no disrespect, but you’re barely off of IOE. You have no idea of the pilot group or our personality. We have an amazing group of pilots here, but it is full of good ‘ole boys who don’t give a poop. Still great people, but following uniform standards to appropriately represent the profession isn’t quite something that they consider before leaving the house (a large amount are contained in the aforementioned DEN base).
Truth be told, after many years here, I’ll be making room in the left seat for another captain upgrade and leaving the animal. I have loved every minute with all of the people I’ve worked with here over the years and the pilot group is what I’ll miss the most. However, the idea of them complying with any sort of standards if allowed to grow beards makes me chuckle.
#248
I keep hearing about this Chrispy guy. Can anyone PM the link to guys platform. I am curious to see what everyone in RGS was talking about.
#249
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 692
I assume so as well. If you are under 15 years with more than 10 years left and can take the pay hit I would 100% do the same. Only caveat is if you believe there will be a furlough in the next 5 years. I think there will be but just a guess based on history and the direction our economy is going.
#250
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,443
I assume so as well. If you are under 15 years with more than 10 years left and can take the pay hit I would 100% do the same. Only caveat is if you believe there will be a furlough in the next 5 years. I think there will be but just a guess based on history and the direction our economy is going.
Staying for the seniority makes sense on one hand, but not on the other…
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