Contract 2023
03-15-2023, 10:51 AM
#181
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The UNION didn’t get rolled. The UNION rarely gets rolled. If your PILOT force is smart, confident and working together, there is NOTHING the union can put forward that will be successful except for what the MEC/LEC considered enough. Given that the last contract was voted in with such a high percentage (+70%), it would seem the union did a fairly decent job.
You’re disgruntled at the wrong group…
The only way the union gets rolled is if we say no MULTIPLE times but they insist on sending us obvious company-sided TAs.
03-16-2023, 06:14 AM
#182
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If you’re at F9 stunting your career in hopes for a merger, you’re doing yourself a disservice. F9 is a great place to spend your career at but I’ve met some people who are staying just because they want to merge and want to keep the seniority. I think those people are setting themselves up for disappointment, and as previously said, in the most advantaged pilot hiring environment in history.
03-17-2023, 03:46 AM
#183
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If you’re at F9 stunting your career in hopes for a merger, you’re doing yourself a disservice. F9 is a great place to spend your career at but I’ve met some people who are staying just because they want to merge and want to keep the seniority. I think those people are setting themselves up for disappointment, and as previously said, in the most advantaged pilot hiring environment in history.
03-17-2023, 12:01 PM
#184
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If you’re at F9 stunting your career in hopes for a merger, you’re doing yourself a disservice. F9 is a great place to spend your career at but I’ve met some people who are staying just because they want to merge and want to keep the seniority. I think those people are setting themselves up for disappointment, and as previously said, in the most advantaged pilot hiring environment in history.
03-17-2023, 12:09 PM
#185
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Pretty sure most I know are just wanting a nice competitive contract at an airline with a home base and good QOL... No one I have talked to has said a thing about hoping for a merger. Not sure where you got that.
03-18-2023, 04:40 AM
#187
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03-18-2023, 04:59 AM
#188
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I know that at least 5 of those 117 people from my class who left in this time period were here under 1 year. Denver living people who would rather just go to United or Southwest. Some went to American and Delta. Most thought the company was lying about how recession proof we were, and also pointed out that if the ULCC model is so good, why isn't it doing as well compared to the legacies in the last couple of quarters? I guess your business doesn't make a ton of money when you outsource so much that your quality declines.
I personally got into a plane off a DH, get to the new one and there is an OTS card on the thrust levers. Get Mx from the next plane over, they never heard of this one being OTS. They call Mx control, sit on hold for 45. yes, FORTY FIVE minutes for them to get the MEL done. No one heard about this OTS, no one at dispatch. mx control. outstation. gate agent. no one. Plane was sitting there for 4 hours before we got there. as well and it was never addressed. We ended up being almost 2 hrs delayed instead of what would have been about 25 mins.
Then had an issue where a gate agent denied boarding to 6 or so people because they wanted to make their 45min turn.... argued with the CA and eventually said they were gonna report him for the delay. We left the 6 people and reported them since we were delayed anyways. They rather would argue with us for 5 mins instead of just boarding the pax and going a couple of mins over the turn time.
There is no compassion from most of our gate agents and we are running on bare bones minimum in areas like mx or crew support when we shouldn't be, to the point of detriment when something goes wrong. I completely understand why someone wouldn't want to stay here if they got an offer from somewhere else like Delta which prides themselves on their customer relations.
The fact that people say Frontier is an amazing airline once they get on the plane is a testament to that. Pilots and FAs are great. Customers dealing with anyone else on the ground is frustrating.
I personally got into a plane off a DH, get to the new one and there is an OTS card on the thrust levers. Get Mx from the next plane over, they never heard of this one being OTS. They call Mx control, sit on hold for 45. yes, FORTY FIVE minutes for them to get the MEL done. No one heard about this OTS, no one at dispatch. mx control. outstation. gate agent. no one. Plane was sitting there for 4 hours before we got there. as well and it was never addressed. We ended up being almost 2 hrs delayed instead of what would have been about 25 mins.
Then had an issue where a gate agent denied boarding to 6 or so people because they wanted to make their 45min turn.... argued with the CA and eventually said they were gonna report him for the delay. We left the 6 people and reported them since we were delayed anyways. They rather would argue with us for 5 mins instead of just boarding the pax and going a couple of mins over the turn time.
There is no compassion from most of our gate agents and we are running on bare bones minimum in areas like mx or crew support when we shouldn't be, to the point of detriment when something goes wrong. I completely understand why someone wouldn't want to stay here if they got an offer from somewhere else like Delta which prides themselves on their customer relations.
The fact that people say Frontier is an amazing airline once they get on the plane is a testament to that. Pilots and FAs are great. Customers dealing with anyone else on the ground is frustrating.
Last edited by spooldup; 03-18-2023 at 05:14 AM.
03-18-2023, 06:11 AM
#189
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I know that at least 5 of those 117 people from my class who left in this time period were here under 1 year. Denver living people who would rather just go to United or Southwest. Some went to American and Delta. Most thought the company was lying about how recession proof we were, and also pointed out that if the ULCC model is so good, why isn't it doing as well compared to the legacies in the last couple of quarters? I guess your business doesn't make a ton of money when you outsource so much that your quality declines.
I personally got into a plane off a DH, get to the new one and there is an OTS card on the thrust levers. Get Mx from the next plane over, they never heard of this one being OTS. They call Mx control, sit on hold for 45. yes, FORTY FIVE minutes for them to get the MEL done. No one heard about this OTS, no one at dispatch. mx control. outstation. gate agent. no one. Plane was sitting there for 4 hours before we got there. as well and it was never addressed. We ended up being almost 2 hrs delayed instead of what would have been about 25 mins.
Then had an issue where a gate agent denied boarding to 6 or so people because they wanted to make their 45min turn.... argued with the CA and eventually said they were gonna report him for the delay. We left the 6 people and reported them since we were delayed anyways. They rather would argue with us for 5 mins instead of just boarding the pax and going a couple of mins over the turn time.
There is no compassion from most of our gate agents and we are running on bare bones minimum in areas like mx or crew support when we shouldn't be, to the point of detriment when something goes wrong. I completely understand why someone wouldn't want to stay here if they got an offer from somewhere else like Delta which prides themselves on their customer relations.
The fact that people say Frontier is an amazing airline once they get on the plane is a testament to that. Pilots and FAs are great. Customers dealing with anyone else on the ground is frustrating.
I personally got into a plane off a DH, get to the new one and there is an OTS card on the thrust levers. Get Mx from the next plane over, they never heard of this one being OTS. They call Mx control, sit on hold for 45. yes, FORTY FIVE minutes for them to get the MEL done. No one heard about this OTS, no one at dispatch. mx control. outstation. gate agent. no one. Plane was sitting there for 4 hours before we got there. as well and it was never addressed. We ended up being almost 2 hrs delayed instead of what would have been about 25 mins.
Then had an issue where a gate agent denied boarding to 6 or so people because they wanted to make their 45min turn.... argued with the CA and eventually said they were gonna report him for the delay. We left the 6 people and reported them since we were delayed anyways. They rather would argue with us for 5 mins instead of just boarding the pax and going a couple of mins over the turn time.
There is no compassion from most of our gate agents and we are running on bare bones minimum in areas like mx or crew support when we shouldn't be, to the point of detriment when something goes wrong. I completely understand why someone wouldn't want to stay here if they got an offer from somewhere else like Delta which prides themselves on their customer relations.
The fact that people say Frontier is an amazing airline once they get on the plane is a testament to that. Pilots and FAs are great. Customers dealing with anyone else on the ground is frustrating.
I saw we extended two of our leases on old CEOs for 5 years. That helps the delay in Airbus deliveries a bit. I wonder if more will be extended?
03-18-2023, 06:23 AM
#190
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There’s a lot to respond to there…in short F9 has no intention of being the best. It costs a lot money to be the best and they are betting that at our price point good enough is acceptable. Staffing and service will always meander around the minimum trying to find that sweet spot. We will always be the bottom of most metrics but if we are growing rapidly and still making a profit we should be just fine.
I saw we extended two of our leases on old CEOs for 5 years. That helps the delay in Airbus deliveries a bit. I wonder if more will be extended?
I saw we extended two of our leases on old CEOs for 5 years. That helps the delay in Airbus deliveries a bit. I wonder if more will be extended?
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