Vote of no confidence?
04-05-2022, 06:44 AM
#11
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Great mantra and all but we are doing this, away from our families, 3 or 4 days a week (if not commuting), every week....over holidays, birthdays, etc. It would be nice if....idk....somebody at any level did their job?
I know NK B6 SWA had problems too, but we aren't them. We have a little over 100 planes. There's no excuse for being a little more prepared with such a comparatively small operation. Who would have thought weather would occur in the SE during the spring? Came out of nowhere
I know NK B6 SWA had problems too, but we aren't them. We have a little over 100 planes. There's no excuse for being a little more prepared with such a comparatively small operation. Who would have thought weather would occur in the SE during the spring? Came out of nowhere
the root problem is staffing. SOC, dispatch, MX, CREW SCHEDULING, gate, ramp, cabin crews, flight crews………..
Indigo will never staff for the need …
04-05-2022, 06:51 AM
#12
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Operations in MCO is run by contractors on three computers running Saber in a room about the size of my walk in closet. Go down and look for yourself, it's unbelievable. They have a hard time keeping things straight on a sunny day let alone a massive line of thunderstorms. Nothing is going to change unless management gets serious about how this place functions. I talked with one of our previous FAA inspectors who told me I wouldn't believe the stories he would tell me about the way this airline is run if he could. This kind of stuff, the wide cast dragnet style of discipline we've seen with section 19's and the like over the years, as well as the total incompetence of our director of training and his pal the VP of Flight Ops all lead straight uphill to where the smell is emanating from, Big BB himself. He was unaware of how bad things were (and are still) going at the schoolhouse and I doubt he has any clue regarding the details of these operational issues we are constantly battling. I've harbored a hope that as the 5th largest airline in the nation after our merger that economies of scale would force a change in the manner in which we operate (Persian bazaar in a sandstorm) but then I just have to laugh at myself when I remember who is running this place. Until that changes expect more of the same.
04-05-2022, 06:54 AM
#13
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Operations in MCO is run by contractors on three computers running Saber in a room about the size of my walk in closet. Go down and look for yourself, it's unbelievable. They have a hard time keeping things straight on a sunny day let alone a massive line of thunderstorms. Nothing is going to change unless management gets serious about how this place functions. I talked with one of our previous FAA inspectors who told me I wouldn't believe the stories he would tell me about the way this airline is run if he could. This kind of stuff, the wide cast dragnet style of discipline we've seen with section 19's and the like over the years, as well as the total incompetence of our director of training and his pal the VP of Flight Ops all lead straight uphill to where the smell is emanating from, Big BB himself. He was unaware of how bad things were (and are still) going at the schoolhouse and I doubt he has any clue regarding the details of these operational issues we are constantly battling. I've harbored a hope that as the 5th largest airline in the nation after our merger that economies of scale would force a change in the manner in which we operate (Persian bazaar in a sandstorm) but then I just have to laugh at myself when I remember who is running this place. Until that changes expect more of the same.
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04-05-2022, 08:09 AM
#14
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I'm sorry dude, but we aren't going to flush upper management out of here. Indigo will pick who runs the show, not us.
04-05-2022, 08:13 AM
#15
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Indigo is always going to run this place lean. That's just fully baked into the business plan. However, staffing is a big problem across the entire economy right now. Nothing about the current staffing levels is surprising if you pay attention to what's going on in the rest of the country. Literally every business in America is hiring and understaffed right now.
The problem is that we can't even staff the lean levels they want. When we are running even leaner than they want, it's going to be rough. This is a much bigger problem then just us. Look around and embrace the sh*t show
04-05-2022, 08:19 AM
#16
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You’re right. BB and company couldn’t care less about what the pilots think. They have another group to appease….the shareholders. And considering ULCC is down over 40% since it’s IPO just 12 months ago, they definitely have some explaining to do.
04-05-2022, 11:02 AM
#17
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And there’s not much we can do. File a grievance maybe but that needs to be vs a specific work rule. Perhaps the passengers will revolt - nope, the prices are too cheap and most have short memories (Thank God).
The one reprise we DO possess is that the company must pay you for their incompetence. I will admit, I do get frustrated while standing at the gate with my crew to find out the inbound aircraft is 4-6 hours late - something I should have been informed of while still at the hotel - and I’m probably gonna time out. I can get my own hotel after 90 minutes of waiting but that means I’m doing their job. Going online and looking for a room when most are booked with passengers we just canceled on. So, I’ll wait 6 to 9 hours to get ahold of scheduling and get a hotel room booked for us. Because I remember 5 hours of extra pay after 0200. An additional vacation day after 1600 and midnight the days following.
We’ve all seen premium trips being offered when crews were available (either reserve or sitting because of a cancellation elsewhere). Plenty of times I’ve been short an FA and another (who still has duty day) volunteers to fly only to be denied.
I just smh. And take a screenshot of my updated schedule with the new credit total. This last weekend was about 10 hours of flying but 25+ hours of credit and 2 days of vaca. I don’t whine - i bank…
And always always always remember, just because you work for a sh/ty airline does not make YOU sh/ty as well.
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04-05-2022, 11:32 AM
#18
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workers being “contract” or company have very little incentive to “help out” or “give the extra effort” when mgmnt DOESNT CARE LESS
04-05-2022, 05:27 PM
#19
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Ok, so this place sucks. We know it. The passengers know it. Hell, I think even BB knows it. All the way down the line. This is a sh/ty airline.
And there’s not much we can do. File a grievance maybe but that needs to be vs a specific work rule. Perhaps the passengers will revolt - nope, the prices are too cheap and most have short memories (Thank God).
The one reprise we DO possess is that the company must pay you for their incompetence. I will admit, I do get frustrated while standing at the gate with my crew to find out the inbound aircraft is 4-6 hours late - something I should have been informed of while still at the hotel - and I’m probably gonna time out. I can get my own hotel after 90 minutes of waiting but that means I’m doing their job. Going online and looking for a room when most are booked with passengers we just canceled on. So, I’ll wait 6 to 9 hours to get ahold of scheduling and get a hotel room booked for us. Because I remember 5 hours of extra pay after 0200. An additional vacation day after 1600 and midnight the days following.
We’ve all seen premium trips being offered when crews were available (either reserve or sitting because of a cancellation elsewhere). Plenty of times I’ve been short an FA and another (who still has duty day) volunteers to fly only to be denied.
I just smh. And take a screenshot of my updated schedule with the new credit total. This last weekend was about 10 hours of flying but 25+ hours of credit and 2 days of vaca. I don’t whine - i bank…
And always always always remember, just because you work for a sh/ty airline does not make YOU sh/ty as well.
This has been a Dracir1 public service announcement. All rights reserved. Any and all donations are willfully accepted…
And there’s not much we can do. File a grievance maybe but that needs to be vs a specific work rule. Perhaps the passengers will revolt - nope, the prices are too cheap and most have short memories (Thank God).
The one reprise we DO possess is that the company must pay you for their incompetence. I will admit, I do get frustrated while standing at the gate with my crew to find out the inbound aircraft is 4-6 hours late - something I should have been informed of while still at the hotel - and I’m probably gonna time out. I can get my own hotel after 90 minutes of waiting but that means I’m doing their job. Going online and looking for a room when most are booked with passengers we just canceled on. So, I’ll wait 6 to 9 hours to get ahold of scheduling and get a hotel room booked for us. Because I remember 5 hours of extra pay after 0200. An additional vacation day after 1600 and midnight the days following.
We’ve all seen premium trips being offered when crews were available (either reserve or sitting because of a cancellation elsewhere). Plenty of times I’ve been short an FA and another (who still has duty day) volunteers to fly only to be denied.
I just smh. And take a screenshot of my updated schedule with the new credit total. This last weekend was about 10 hours of flying but 25+ hours of credit and 2 days of vaca. I don’t whine - i bank…
And always always always remember, just because you work for a sh/ty airline does not make YOU sh/ty as well.
This has been a Dracir1 public service announcement. All rights reserved. Any and all donations are willfully accepted…
04-05-2022, 05:51 PM
#20
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I agree to extent with what was said. With that I'll say, I don't want the 5 hours or the vacation day, I want competence. I want to pull into a gate on a "scheduled" flight with an acars in range followed by an ops radio call on the ground to find that I actually do have wing walkers, AND a jetway driver, AND wheel chairs. Not a constant barrage of apologies to the passengers.
Nothing more demoralizing than making up time leg after leg to only be delayed leg after leg. While I agree that being compensated for it is nice, that doesn't negate the fact that it needs to get fixed. Fire someone for taking a 2 dollar mini but we will pay 5 hours and bonus vacation days, plus the fuel to sit and wait for said wing walkers.... I'd rather things just went smoothly than to get paid more.
Nothing more demoralizing than making up time leg after leg to only be delayed leg after leg. While I agree that being compensated for it is nice, that doesn't negate the fact that it needs to get fixed. Fire someone for taking a 2 dollar mini but we will pay 5 hours and bonus vacation days, plus the fuel to sit and wait for said wing walkers.... I'd rather things just went smoothly than to get paid more.
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