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06-10-2021, 08:56 AM

#251

TurboFanMan

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Originally Posted by WaterRooster

I didn’t think they put out a date yet?

What I’m getting at is the last bid is for October, so the earliest we would see ATL now is November 1st of 4th quarter?

06-10-2021, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyChain

Our business model is not going to war with anther ULCC, it's skimming the cream off of the legacies.

As is their business model, seems like there is zero reason for them starting a ULCC route war. Puzzling…

06-10-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan

What I’m getting at is the last bid is for October, so the earliest we would see ATL now is November 1st of 4th quarter?

I think that’s a fair bet, but keep in mind that bid effective dates don’t have to be on the 1st of the month. A VSA can go out whenever there are vacancies to be filled. There’s nothing stopping them from (hypothetical) announcing that ATL will open on October 15th and publishing another bid in the next couple of weeks. Unfortunately, that one would prob be a displacement bid, but a bid nonetheless.

06-10-2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK

Have they ever opened a new base mid-month? I don’t recall any bases opening outside of the beginning a new bid month. That would be a disaster for monthly schedules/NavBlue. I think it’s safe to say November will be the earliest.

I’m hearing rumblings that the FA ATL base will open first (similar to TPA). It’s not too late for them to announce ATL for FAs effective October 1st. I’m hoping October for FAs and November for pilots.

06-10-2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CantStayAway

That would be a disaster for monthly schedules/NavBlue. I think it’s safe to say November will be the earliest.

Ah touché. I spoke before I thought. Didn’t consider the bidding implications of that.

06-10-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser

As is their business model, seems like there is zero reason for them starting a ULCC route war. Puzzling…

If anything we are simply expanding our foothold in South FL. We are the number one and largest airline tenant in FLL now. I doubt we can fly much more than the 100 flights a day we are doing out of there.

MIA makes complete sense. S. FL is a large area so now you can capture some of the pax who didn’t want to drive to FLL that live in MIA or south of MIA etc. It’s the same in NYC where we have a solid presence in both LGA and now EWR. You capture pax no matter which side of the river they live.

We already competed with AA to Colombia and throughout Central America/Caribbean (just out of FLL), but now we will be doing the same in their own house as well.

06-10-2021, 02:02 PM

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Yeah seems like AA is the target and there’s plenty for 2 ULCCs there.

06-11-2021, 07:18 AM

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Everybody’s talking about ATL, I’m guessing it’s gonna be fairy senior. Centrally located and lots of commuting options. We shall see.

06-11-2021, 12:24 PM

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I always expected them to open Atlanta in December. They said 4th quarter I wouldn’t be surprised if FAs opened in December and Pilots in January.

06-11-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan

Everybody’s talking about ATL, I’m guessing it’s gonna be fairy senior. Centrally located and lots of commuting options. We shall see.

I fully agree. People look at me funny when I tell them that, but they forget that PHL and CHI will both lose commuters to ATL. Not to mention others will be willing to move to ATL (or at least the surrounding communities) that wouldn’t be willing to live in any of our current bases. Like you said, we shall see.