fcoolaiddrinker

Well said. Apperantly the hotel doesn’t comply with existing language because they don’t provide transportation to the training center. Not sure if that was fixed or not yet?

monkeybrains

it has nothing to do with transportation. The CBA say lodging will be provided when pilots are doing company business away from their domicile. New hire pilots are based in Denver per the CBA when they report to class. The company unilaterally decided to provide new hire pilots with lodging in domicile, they did not provide all pilots eg. Upgrading pilots or pilots attending rgs, only new hire pilots because it suits the company’s current issues.

the next argument is, doesn’t say the can’t, correct, it doesn’t, but there is a long-standing practice where they haven’t. In addition the CBA doesn’t say the company can’t pay all the frontier pilots with last names starting with A-K an additional $10000/month, but I’m pretty sure if they did, all the pilots with last names starting with L-Z would be pretty ****ed off since they get nothing.

contract compliance is one of the most important issues we face. You may not love every piece of our contract, but it is a negotiated benefit that the company agree to and needs to comply with. Every time these and other issues come up we need to take a hard stance and make sure the company follows our CBA. Nothing would make me happier than securing a contractual benefit for hotels for new hire pilots, but there is a process that the company must follow. The benefit has been suggested by the union in the past, and the company said no way because they didn’t want to spend the money and had no problem filling classes. Now the tides have turned, and we need to support the association that is fighting to protect our CBA. I suspect there is a path available to the company to get alpa to agree to company provided hotels for new hires, but it isn’t going to be letting the company do whatever they want, and for that I applaud ALPA.

fcoolaiddrinker

Completely agree. Sounds like a solid argument to secure hotels for upgrades and rgs den based pilots.

Gary et al

Even without piggybacking other benefits to the group onto this. The point is the company needs to follow the LOA process to make changes to the CBA. Good change or bad there is a process. They can’t just be picking and choosing how they want to follow the CBA, but that is what they are doing.

The union would love to give new hires hotels.

fcoolaiddrinker

Right. There’s needs to be language otherwise it could go away next recession and/or there’s no longer a shortage.

HighMinsChief

Insane, wait for ioe is almost 2 months. What is training thinking???

TOGALOCK

Not great for the company, but as a new hire that’s a great deal. Sit at home waiting for IOE, accrue seniority, and get paid min guarantee to sit on your butt without raising a finger..? The same min guarantee you’d be getting paid to sit on reserve and actually have to work? I wish I was that lucky back when I was hired.

BiffleBalls

And forget everything you just learned in the sim...

PossibleDeviation

Or you could be a professional and stay current on your flows? Not too difficult.

BiffleBalls

Maybe for a *****en' superstar like you it'd be no problem. For me and many others, it would be more difficult. This is not a good thing, delaying training like that, FYI.