Originally Posted by TurboFanMan

Heck, I heard we are closing another one!!!

Originally Posted by TurboFanMan

Heck, I heard we are closing another one!!!

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver

Based on what was said in the townhall, it seems like a large part of the problem is the lack of resources. I'm sure that's not the only reason, but having a handful of chief pilots and a couple senior line pilots doing pretty much the whole job of hiring without much HR support isn't a recipe for being able to get enough people into a class and on top of that, account for the inevitable no-shows in today's environment.

Originally Posted by dracir1

Exactly. All this discussion about how for the next 6 to 9 months, the staffing will be ok is preposterous as no one can predict the amount of attrition we will experience. Even if we were to get 50 a class, we WILL have attrition. Could be 10 a month, could be 25.

The accession/retention problem of F9 is a SYSTEMIC one. It’s because of a combo of conditions to include lower pay, lack of wide body (for some), more expensive and to some degree non-comparable ancillary benefits, style/timeframe of flying and a route structure of 40% redeye flying, upgrade times the same or even higher than other airlines, toxic practices by management and many others. The reason we can’t recruit and lose people is because the airline sucks - and we all know it. It’s not the recruiting department, it’s not the CPO and it’s not having to wait in hold for scheduling or a gate, it’s ALL that and then some.

Thinking this airline will survive (yes survive) in present form for the next 3-5 years is a serious concern. The company does know how to be extremely frugal, but we are already shrinking or close to it. No amount of recruiting effort or other small pay adjustments are going to make a difference. The reasons listed above PLUS the pay gap are so great, CAs are leaving here.

The writing is on the wall - this place shrinks into oblivion or the airline gets “bettter.” Raising pay isn’t better by itself, is just a start. And it needs to be HIGHER than legacy - if you were paid the same as Delta and you had a choice, would you choose F9?

Originally Posted by WaterRooster

Its a bold move to close PHX before it opens, but you do what you have to do!

Originally Posted by TOGALOCK

Oh do tell! If that happens even the most optimistic of us will have trouble staying optimistic. Many of us disagree about how things are being viewed from behind the scenes, but I think we all agree that we’re teetering on a precarious edge right now. Another base closer would be catastrophic.

Originally Posted by Nacho Libre

I noticed that both the System Bid and System Bid Award have disappeared in both FILCA and DocuNet. I don't remember that being the norm. Usually, as I remember it they just don't post anything on DocuNet until finalized and in FLICA it normally shows not published.

Anyone else notice that?

Originally Posted by Nacho Libre

I noticed that both the System Bid and System Bid Award have disappeared in both FILCA and DocuNet. I don't remember that being the norm. Usually, as I remember it they just don't post anything on DocuNet until finalized and in FLICA it normally shows not published.

Anyone else notice that?

Originally Posted by sled14

I’ve seen that before after it closes, disappears for a little before the results come out.