Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey

Your exact logic here and your argument here, is the EXACT logic the mainline pilots had 20 years ago, that resulted in them receiving more money for themselves, in exchange for giving away all the 50 seat flying, and eventually 70 seat flying.

Those decisions then, resulted in the proliferation of the 50 seat RJ, loss of roughly 60 percent of the domestic flying, and stalled careers of not only mainline pilots, but tens of thousands of regional pilots that became the beneficiary of the shift in flying from the majors to the regionals.

In hindsight, those mainline decisions not only hurt their own career and own progression, but damaged the careers of nearly every pilot to follow. Tens of thousands of pilots got pinned at the regional level doing 50 seat flying at a criminally low wage (in an eternal whipsaw with the plethora of other regionals).

Once scope is out of the bag, how do you ever get it back? And that includes codeshare.

Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser

Why are there Spirit Pilots (or those that have pretended to be) on Frontier’s forum chanting “Scope, Scope, Scope” ?

The timing of these Spirit posters and other first time posters is suspicious to me.

This smells and looks like a carrot, so I’m thinking it’s a carrot. The union was already hard set on industry standard scope but you guys are insane if you think that Scope should be number one on my list of necessary improvements to our contract.

You need an asset worth protecting before you buy the insurance; would it make any sense to have the best car insurance policy money can buy on a Pontiac Aztec? If that thing breaks down in a ditch, just set it on fire and walk away. That’s Frontier, a Pontiac Aztec, we don’t even have a Toyota Corolla here. We’re not asking for a Ferrari contract but I need at least a Premium sedan before I’m sweating the insurance.

If I don’t get proper pay and benefits, Frontier can take this job and shove it. So I don’t need SCOPE SCOPE SCOPE to protect a job with a company that I nor many others will tolerate without proper compensation. Period.

Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW

Would you rather have Alaska’s CBA without scope, or what we know about Spirit’s AIP with scope? One is a legacy whose contract was the result of binding arbitration, the other was pretty much in your same situation, and told by the mediator that the company was offering more than enough. Just because we don’t think it’s fair doesn’t mean the mediator sees it the same way. Unfortunately, I don’t see you getting Alaska pay and scope in this go around. It’s called pattern bargaining, and the pattern has been established.

Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE

Spirits AIP would allow this type of codesharing, so theres that.......

Originally Posted by Conquistador27

And you know this how? All we have is the highlights which doesn’t spell that out.

Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde

There once was this general notion amongst F9 pilots that Indigo was going to come in, make some quick bucks, and then move on. But I’ve never understood that line of thinking, and I think many are moving away from that idea. Sure, Indigo would try to make big money quick on its investment by trying an IPO, we know they’ve already come close. But why does it make sense for them to completely exit ownership post-IPO? Their main investments are airlines. If Frankie had his way, Spirit would have purchased F9 but it was blocked by B.Baldaza; he has admitted this much in an interview. And if they had the spare capital to purchase Frontier at the time, they would have never abandoned their investment in Spirit. Unless Frankie kicks the bucket and Indigo’s strategy changes, I think Frontier is stuck with him and he’ll be reacquainted with Spirit in the next 4-5 years. The guy wants to build a global ULCC powerhouse, that’s his legacy. He has ULCCs in Europe, South America, Mexico, the U.S., and a start-up in Canada. Today’s announcement is the first move to bring their investments together into a network.

Originally Posted by Coehill

Volaris cant do den yyc without third party rights. same way westjet cant do den-cun.

Originally Posted by Cardinal

You mean how Sunwing (of Canada) flies the MKE-CUN for Apple Vacations that Frontier used to operate?