SFA320

I got no letter..,

dracir1

I didnt say your offer was bad either. Congrats to you on it. And I’m being serious - that is not sarcastic in the least. I just feel for my situation, it is not enough. And I explained why. Your negotiating experience is not the same as ours. Because it’s not, I can see why you would scoff at my continued skepticism of this company and Indigo. Just today we got another FU from the company....

Qotsaautopilot

I don’t know what else to say. We aren’t going to see eye to eye

Scope is litterally everything. It’s the first section because every other section depends on it.

AllOva736

No dude, I totally understand you being a massive skeptic of indigo management. You have every right to be as they have done nothing but use and abuse your group seemingly worse than NK has done to theirs. In our situation many will agree that it's not enough but in the grand scale it is acceptable and some will have no part of it. I just hope that you and your peers plan for the future but also get a massive pay bump in the future. All of you deserve so much better

dracir1

Scope can't be everything as we nor you have had it thus far and have both managed to survive. This Volaris agreement is the first we've heard of any of it actually being used. Funny how NOW it comes up...

Of course, the goal is to get better scope and get acceptable pay. My idea of what's acceptable given my experience w/ this company is obviously different than what is acceptable to you given your experience. Once again, the company is making an INDUSTRY LEADING profit percentage. The management is making INDUSTRY STANDARD salaries. We are in a time of unprecedented growth and profits among airlines - we may never see this kind of opportunity again.

In the end, we ALL deserve better.

Qotsaautopilot

I don’t think you’re stupid because of the way you post but this has to quite possibly be the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read on here.

And to the last sentence, it’s not just coming up now. I mentioned tightened scope and codesharing in particular as the number one priority to the Spirit NC before we even opened negotiations three years ago.

dracir1

I must apologize to you but I don't follow you or anyone else specifically on here so you're mentioning something 3 years ago or even 3 weeks ago doesn't mean I would take notice.

But, it's apparent that scope has been very important to you for quite a while and it's good to hear that you have been vocal to your NC about your desires. However, I'm sure you've noticed that you have NOT NEEDED scope protection during the entire time of your concern. If you were making $25-50 / hour less during that time, I suppose that would be worth it you. And you call me ignorant...

I'm not saying we should completely ignore scope. I'm expecting my NC to seek improvements in every section of the contract - not just the scope section and certainly not at the cost of the others. Neither NK or F9 pilot groups have had to deal w/ a codeshare agreement until now.

In EVERY negotiation there is give and take and what we end up with will most likely be a combination of adjustments to what we already have - items like scope, pay, scheduling/PBS, trip trading, vacation slides, trip/duty rigs, min day, sick/vacation accrual, reserve rules, monthly guarantee, etc. are all part of the discussion. Just so we're clear, I want the BEST contract we can get - not just the most financially lucrative and not just the one that protects my job the longest at a putrid hourly rate. For all I know, we could negotiate better scope now (but take much less in pay) then have the scope taken away in the next negotiation (because of the political/financial climate at the time).

You mention JB and Delta as airlines where codeshare agreements have taken away opportunities for the pilots. Right now, if you could have your same seniority at Delta that you currently have, would you stay w/ Spirit (at the new rates) or jump ship to Delta w/ less scope?

Harry Canyon

Saying scope isn't important because you havent needed it yet, is like saying those paddles in the ER aren't important because your heart has never stopped beating before.

Qotsaautopilot

Do you not have car insurance, health insurance, home owners insurance, carry contingency fuel, file alternates, bring an extra shirt in your bag in case you stain another? All of these have a cost and you may never have to use them. But you’d be stupid not to have them. Scope is career insurance. I’d say a job that makes you $200k+ a year is worth insuring.

Of course I would take my same seniority at Delta. They don’t have less scope than Spirit they have more.

azcz10

Didn't I read about Indigo wanting to start up an LLC in Canada? Hmmm....We'll be surrounded boys!

Scope!