Frontier Negotiations Discussion
#81
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: A320
Posts: 29
Monthly call-in? Have I been missing something? The closest thing to that I can remember were the podcast updates, which I appreciated.
#82
The only reason I'm opposed to this thread is it gives people like A319 an opportunity to come on here and spout her nonsense.
Anyone that thinks screen grabs from this site would be brought into negotiations and taken seriously are mistaken. I'm not even an F9 pilot. I'm a 400lb. hacker sitting in my mom's Hanoi basement using an American VPN.
Anyone that thinks screen grabs from this site would be brought into negotiations and taken seriously are mistaken. I'm not even an F9 pilot. I'm a 400lb. hacker sitting in my mom's Hanoi basement using an American VPN.
Your second paragraph,however, is inaccurate and misleading.
If you bothered to research this topic instead of stating what you consider to be common sense, there are many examples of legacy unions(Delta and American recently) that have been held responsible in court (and in contract talks) for class actions of their pilots based upon forum, email, and text messages. In our case, status quo becomes an issue. Purely as an example, management can come to a mediation session and say 'everyone flies on Tuesdays'. Union says 'not happening'. Management says 'Johnny Jet Jock posted on APC said he'd be willing to fly every Tuesday if we kept line bidding, and there was an overwhelming agreement'. 'Look, here's a screen grab'. Union says 'you guys weren't even looking to can line flying?' Management says 'yeah, because we need everyone flying Tuesday's!'
If you think this is funny, or worth the hubris of being BMOC on APC, I'd ask you to reconsider.
To no individual in particular, I would ask you to please quit making the NCs job more difficult, potentially making them defend items that weren't even on the table, prolonging talks, etc. Take your expert insights elsewhere.
#84
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 879
Do companies with PBS typically have liberal drop and swap too?
#87
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
Gentlemen
Seems like the nature of APC forums, like so many others, is to devolve into a childish ****ing contest. Same 3 or 4 blowhards hiding behind a screen. There are more constructive outlets. Maybe you guys could meet at Dave and Busters or get together for a round of D&D and beat your chest about who is the best at whack a mole.....
Regardless, the posters calling for an end to this thread are absolutely right. Put your energy into being part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Quit helping out management by providing them with ammo. If you've got ideas you want to see implemented in the new contract, contact your reps or the NC directly. If you can't be bothered to find that contact info, pm me. If you want to argue the finer points of the contract with your brethren, get your butts to the GO on the 19th, put your uniform on, and quit hiding behind your keyboard.
Those of you who think this thread isn't monitored by management types with an agenda in direct opposition to ours are gravely mistaken.
Seems like the nature of APC forums, like so many others, is to devolve into a childish ****ing contest. Same 3 or 4 blowhards hiding behind a screen. There are more constructive outlets. Maybe you guys could meet at Dave and Busters or get together for a round of D&D and beat your chest about who is the best at whack a mole.....
Regardless, the posters calling for an end to this thread are absolutely right. Put your energy into being part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Quit helping out management by providing them with ammo. If you've got ideas you want to see implemented in the new contract, contact your reps or the NC directly. If you can't be bothered to find that contact info, pm me. If you want to argue the finer points of the contract with your brethren, get your butts to the GO on the 19th, put your uniform on, and quit hiding behind your keyboard.
Those of you who think this thread isn't monitored by management types with an agenda in direct opposition to ours are gravely mistaken.
#89
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,405
Frontier has significantly reduced its reliance on flights to and from its home base of Denver, but that continues to account for 45 percent of its business. Such concentration could put the airline at a disadvantage relative to larger competitors. Lack of scale was one reason Alaska Air and Virgin America sought to combine. Perhaps a merger with fellow ultra-low cost competitor Spirit Airlines might eventually make sense, but the opportunities for Frontier to strike a deal appear low in the short term. JetBlue Airways Corp. competed with Alaska to buy Virgin America, but Frontier would be a weird consolation prize. If anything, JetBlue could set its sights on a deal with the combined Alaska-Virgin America, notes Ferguson of Bloomberg Intelligence.
https://skift.com/2017/04/03/is-the-...-airlines-ipo/
https://skift.com/2017/04/03/is-the-...-airlines-ipo/
#90
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,405
Meanwhile, on the cost side, Frontier Airlines has unusually low labor costs because of its frequent brushes with bankruptcy. For example, its top-of-scale pilot wage rate is about 10% below that of Spirit Airlines, which itself is below the industry standard. Now that Frontier has become strongly profitable, it will need to start paying employees more.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...ady-to-go.aspx
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...ady-to-go.aspx
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