Frontier Negotiations Discussion
01-21-2018, 11:18 AM
#722
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They'll give us ass-less leather chaps with the leather biker hat, before we see a leather jacket.
01-21-2018, 12:06 PM
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I have to say that I'm seeing just the opposite. I think the pilot group has more resolve now that I've ever seen. Frankly I'm a little surprised by the solidarity I've seen.
I haven't talked to one single pilot who'd vote yes on the Spirit TA WITH PBS. But that's not our fight. And it's certainly easier to say watching from the cheap seats.
I wish the Spirit guys the best of luck.
I haven't talked to one single pilot who'd vote yes on the Spirit TA WITH PBS. But that's not our fight. And it's certainly easier to say watching from the cheap seats.
I wish the Spirit guys the best of luck.
01-21-2018, 12:41 PM
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Delta +1 with pay with all of the other things you don't have now that you might need? I imagine that F9 would be the highest paid AB pilots in the world with great work rules if it wasn't for Spirit bringing them down
. You F9 people ( not all obviously) and some people at NK who think they are owed the world and expect nothing less have a serious wake up call coming. If it's a bad deal in the end they will vote no, but most at Spirit aren't waiting for a world record contract. Just the best that they think is available considering all of the info given.
01-21-2018, 01:00 PM
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Well, genius, the company owes us for 2 years of back pay (LOA 67) to start. So, I expect at a minimum, 100% of what they owe us up front. Why is that an unreasonable expectation?
Furthermore, when Spirit gets a 75 million (Call it what you want), signing bonus I would expect that at a minimum in addition to the $$ owed to all of us for LOA 67.
Furthermore, when Spirit gets a 75 million (Call it what you want), signing bonus I would expect that at a minimum in addition to the $$ owed to all of us for LOA 67.
01-21-2018, 01:36 PM
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So word is that the 80 million (or 85) reduction in our ask, came out of the FO side of the pay rates? The CA scale was untouched. I guess that's what the company meant by "decimating the first officer pay scale"?
I really really hope that isn't true.
I really really hope that isn't true.
01-21-2018, 02:04 PM
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Having better 1st year pay would be great, but honestly it is more of a recruitment tool for the company. If people want to come here and stay, crappy 1st year pay sucks, but we all deal with it knowing that it finally gets better. Of course the union would rather keep first year pay up, but they aren't going to cut the rest of our pay to do it.
01-21-2018, 02:32 PM
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A chunk of it was in reducing the $70 first year ask to something more like what it is now. Think similar to Hawaiian. Dropping 1st year pay by $30/hr for roughly 250 pilots * 5 years is 33.75 million.
Having better 1st year pay would be great, but honestly it is more of a recruitment tool for the company. If people want to come here and stay, crappy 1st year pay sucks, but we all deal with it knowing that it finally gets better. Of course the union would rather keep first year pay up, but they aren't going to cut the rest of our pay to do it.
Having better 1st year pay would be great, but honestly it is more of a recruitment tool for the company. If people want to come here and stay, crappy 1st year pay sucks, but we all deal with it knowing that it finally gets better. Of course the union would rather keep first year pay up, but they aren't going to cut the rest of our pay to do it.
I guess what I'm more concerned about is the union is planning on taking FO rates from 68% of what a captain makes, down to 60%. I've heard this from MULTIPLE sources.
01-21-2018, 02:47 PM
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Having better 1st year pay would be great, but honestly it is more of a recruitment tool for the company. If people want to come here and stay, crappy 1st year pay sucks, but we all deal with it knowing that it finally gets better. Of course the union would rather keep first year pay up, but they aren't going to cut the rest of our pay to do it.
Yep, the same mentality that allowed thousands of CRJs to infiltrate the industry. Sell the junior guys down the river to fill your own pockets... You make me sick.
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