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Old 01-03-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by butthert
"ratification" bonus
We as a group vote yes and "ratify" then -
We as a group get paid a "ratification" bonus
No vote = No bonus

LOA 67 is different.
Are you going to be butthert when probationary pilots get a piece of the bonus? They can’t vote, but will get a piece. Doesn’t work with your “no vote=no bonus” scenario above
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Old 01-03-2019, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape
Are you going to be butthert when probationary pilots get a piece of the bonus? They can’t vote, but will get a piece. Doesn’t work with your “no vote=no bonus” scenario above
Good point Ducttape
Doesn't make sense to me but you are correct
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape
Honest question: it looks like you resigned, personally. Do you feel you are entitled to a ratification bonus when you left during the fight, for another job?

Serious question, no ill will at all. I’m just curious on the thought process. Spirit had guys who left for another job and then thought they would get a slice of the ratification, which they didn’t. I’m just curious on the thought process.
Nope. I do deserve to be made whole for LOA67 though.
But you know, if a frog had wings...
Maybe I’ll write it off as a charitable donation. With the gov shut down they might not notice.
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:19 PM
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“The fight”

Hilarious
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerMan
“The fight”

Hilarious
That’s a good one, isn’t it? The good fight where all the *****s came out of the woodwork to fly INC in unity towards the end goal of choking down pbs for significantly less that industry average payrates, a long duration, and of course, $2 an hour per diem.

Well done warriors of Frontier.
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
That’s a good one, isn’t it? The good fight where all the *****s came out of the woodwork to fly INC in unity towards the end goal of choking down pbs for significantly less that industry average payrates, a long duration, and of course, $2 an hour per diem.

Well done warriors of Frontier.
Need a “like” button for this post 😂
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Old 01-03-2019, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
That’s a good one, isn’t it? The good fight where all the *****s came out of the woodwork to fly INC in unity towards the end goal of choking down pbs for significantly less that industry average payrates, a long duration, and of course, $2 an hour per diem.

Well done warriors of Frontier.
What?

We have industry average pay rates if you work over 82hr!
And
Long duration was advertised as a good thing! Everyone else will have done the heavy lifting for us next time by securing even higher deals in the meantime. What was B6 thinking with a 4yr deal!
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Anything more than $2 per hour per diem is insignificant to the pilot group.
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
What?

We have industry average pay rates if you work over 82hr!
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Long duration was advertised as a good thing! Everyone else will have done the heavy lifting for us next time by securing even higher deals in the meantime. What was B6 thinking with a 4yr deal!
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Anything more than $2 per hour per diem is insignificant to the pilot group.
Along with no LTD own occupation. That wasn’t important because it only effects a small percentage of pilots.👎🏻
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
That’s a good one, isn’t it? The good fight where all the *****s came out of the woodwork to fly INC in unity towards the end goal of choking down pbs for significantly less that industry average payrates, a long duration, and of course, $2 an hour per diem.

Well done warriors of Frontier.
Exactly right.

“The fight” I witnessed involved the Vice Chair leading the INC pickup, a member of the NC stalking a probationary pilot on FB because he spoke out against the crap already TAd and then serving him up to management over sick calls (he was terminated).
I guess if your idea of “The fight” is wearing ridiculous orange lanyards and stabbing your fellow pilots in the back all to accept the laughing stock TA, then yeah, I was there for most of that.
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Originally Posted by Ducttape
Honest question: it looks like you resigned, personally. Do you feel you are entitled to a ratification bonus when you left during the fight, for another job?

Serious question, no ill will at all. I’m just curious on the thought process. Spirit had guys who left for another job and then thought they would get a slice of the ratification, which they didn’t. I’m just curious on the thought process.
The thought process is they actually have a financial incentive to get it done in a timely manner the next time, and don't get away with not paying people less than market rate, especially if the rate is so poor that it drives some of their employees away in the process.
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