Frontier Negotiations Discussion
12-31-2018, 11:05 AM
#4401
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I disagree. I think the MEC should be recalled for sending us an inferior TA. Inferior in more ways than just the huge pay increase. It still doesn’t bring us “into the pattern” like they had claimed they were negotiating for. And I distinctly remember many if not all MEC and NC saying “no way to PBS”!
So I say recall the entire MEC. Regardless of the outcome of the TA.
So I say recall the entire MEC. Regardless of the outcome of the TA.
12-31-2018, 11:11 AM
#4403
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I disagree. I think the MEC should be recalled for sending us an inferior TA. Inferior in more ways than just the huge pay increase. It still doesn’t bring us “into the pattern” like they had claimed they were negotiating for. And I distinctly remember many if not all MEC and NC saying “no way to PBS”!
So I say recall the entire MEC. Regardless of the outcome of the TA.
So I say recall the entire MEC. Regardless of the outcome of the TA.
12-31-2018, 11:17 AM
#4404
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I disagree. I think the MEC should be recalled for sending us an inferior TA. Inferior in more ways than just the huge pay increase. It still doesn’t bring us “into the pattern” like they had claimed they were negotiating for. And I distinctly remember many if not all MEC and NC saying “no way to PBS”!
So I say recall the entire MEC. Regardless of the outcome of the TA.
So I say recall the entire MEC. Regardless of the outcome of the TA.
12-31-2018, 11:28 AM
#4405
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There were two questions I had asked
Question 1
Why do we have PBS?
Answer
All of the other airlines have it. We weren’t going to get a TA without it. The company wanted to dismantle our work rules and we fought to keep them but had to take PBS.
Question 2
Why are our pay rates at the bottom and not in the pattern?
Answer
Our pay rates are where they are because we got to keep our work rules.
Drops, splits, trades, and add are all apart of most other airlines already. The ability to do this isn’t that uncommon.
So we fought to keep work rules and the company gave us PBS and industry low pay rates.
Look what’s happening at the regionals right now. They all fight for the highest quality applicants. The companies that get the best have the highest pay rates. All the others continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. We saw our applicant pool become very shallow in the recent months because of the pay. This cycle will happen again. Sure, we have more applicants right now because of the dramatic increase in pay. It won’t last.
Another question I should have asked was “why did we give up LOA 67”?
Question 1
Why do we have PBS?
Answer
All of the other airlines have it. We weren’t going to get a TA without it. The company wanted to dismantle our work rules and we fought to keep them but had to take PBS.
Question 2
Why are our pay rates at the bottom and not in the pattern?
Answer
Our pay rates are where they are because we got to keep our work rules.
Drops, splits, trades, and add are all apart of most other airlines already. The ability to do this isn’t that uncommon.
So we fought to keep work rules and the company gave us PBS and industry low pay rates.
Look what’s happening at the regionals right now. They all fight for the highest quality applicants. The companies that get the best have the highest pay rates. All the others continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. We saw our applicant pool become very shallow in the recent months because of the pay. This cycle will happen again. Sure, we have more applicants right now because of the dramatic increase in pay. It won’t last.
Another question I should have asked was “why did we give up LOA 67”?
12-31-2018, 11:33 AM
#4406
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12-31-2018, 11:47 AM
#4407
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There were two questions I had asked
Question 1
Why do we have PBS?
Answer
All of the other airlines have it. We weren’t going to get a TA without it. The company wanted to dismantle our work rules and we fought to keep them but had to take PBS.
Question 2
Why are our pay rates at the bottom and not in the pattern?
Answer
Our pay rates are where they are because we got to keep our work rules.
Drops, splits, trades, and add are all apart of most other airlines already. The ability to do this isn’t that uncommon.
So we fought to keep work rules and the company gave us PBS and industry low pay rates.
Look what’s happening at the regionals right now. They all fight for the highest quality applicants. The companies that get the best have the highest pay rates. All the others continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. We saw our applicant pool become very shallow in the recent months because of the pay. This cycle will happen again. Sure, we have more applicants right now because of the dramatic increase in pay. It won’t last.
Another question I should have asked was “why did we give up LOA 67”?
Question 1
Why do we have PBS?
Answer
All of the other airlines have it. We weren’t going to get a TA without it. The company wanted to dismantle our work rules and we fought to keep them but had to take PBS.
Question 2
Why are our pay rates at the bottom and not in the pattern?
Answer
Our pay rates are where they are because we got to keep our work rules.
Drops, splits, trades, and add are all apart of most other airlines already. The ability to do this isn’t that uncommon.
So we fought to keep work rules and the company gave us PBS and industry low pay rates.
Look what’s happening at the regionals right now. They all fight for the highest quality applicants. The companies that get the best have the highest pay rates. All the others continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. We saw our applicant pool become very shallow in the recent months because of the pay. This cycle will happen again. Sure, we have more applicants right now because of the dramatic increase in pay. It won’t last.
Another question I should have asked was “why did we give up LOA 67”?
This article that came out today is alluding many.
ALPA, Delta, and AA are already against the reassignment language in their contracts. Why? The companies have been taking advantage of it. That’s not going to happen here though.
ALPA is already against it and we’re being asking to sign off on 7 to 8 years of it.
READ THIS:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/...edule-changes/
12-31-2018, 12:35 PM
#4408
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Don’t forget the stellar reassignment ability now. FOR FREE.
This article that came out today is alluding many.
ALPA, Delta, and AA are already against the reassignment language in their contracts. Why? The companies have been taking advantage of it. That’s not going to happen here though.
ALPA is already against it and we’re being asking to sign off on 7 to 8 years of it.
READ THIS:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/...edule-changes/
This article that came out today is alluding many.
ALPA, Delta, and AA are already against the reassignment language in their contracts. Why? The companies have been taking advantage of it. That’s not going to happen here though.
ALPA is already against it and we’re being asking to sign off on 7 to 8 years of it.
READ THIS:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/...edule-changes/
Make no mistake, Indigo is no fool. They don’t become billionaires by giving away pennies to labor groups. There’s a reason they put in the reassignment language.
Ask yourself this question - if you could have the proposed TA pay and DC rates (which are all bottom of the industry) with the work rules of our CURRENT contract or this TA in its entirety, which would you choose?
If you picked the former, that means we lost out in the work rule department. And that losing is with bottom of the industry rates...
12-31-2018, 01:06 PM
#4409
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Posts: 579
There were two questions I had asked
Question 1
Why do we have PBS?
Answer
All of the other airlines have it. We weren’t going to get a TA without it. The company wanted to dismantle our work rules and we fought to keep them but had to take PBS.
Question 2
Why are our pay rates at the bottom and not in the pattern?
Answer
Our pay rates are where they are because we got to keep our work rules.
Drops, splits, trades, and add are all apart of most other airlines already. The ability to do this isn’t that uncommon.
So we fought to keep work rules and the company gave us PBS and industry low pay rates.
Look what’s happening at the regionals right now. They all fight for the highest quality applicants. The companies that get the best have the highest pay rates. All the others continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. We saw our applicant pool become very shallow in the recent months because of the pay. This cycle will happen again. Sure, we have more applicants right now because of the dramatic increase in pay. It won’t last.
Another question I should have asked was “why did we give up LOA 67”?
Question 1
Why do we have PBS?
Answer
All of the other airlines have it. We weren’t going to get a TA without it. The company wanted to dismantle our work rules and we fought to keep them but had to take PBS.
Question 2
Why are our pay rates at the bottom and not in the pattern?
Answer
Our pay rates are where they are because we got to keep our work rules.
Drops, splits, trades, and add are all apart of most other airlines already. The ability to do this isn’t that uncommon.
So we fought to keep work rules and the company gave us PBS and industry low pay rates.
Look what’s happening at the regionals right now. They all fight for the highest quality applicants. The companies that get the best have the highest pay rates. All the others continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. We saw our applicant pool become very shallow in the recent months because of the pay. This cycle will happen again. Sure, we have more applicants right now because of the dramatic increase in pay. It won’t last.
Another question I should have asked was “why did we give up LOA 67”?
And what was the take for granting the huge ask? They didn’t take everything else? And you think this is the NC doing their job?
Still waiting for HBs justification, but I can’t imagine it will have much more to offer than this.
12-31-2018, 01:13 PM
#4410
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So according to you PBS was so desired by the company that there was simply no way they were going to entertain any TA without it. That sounds like a pretty huge ask, something they wanted very badly.
And what was the take for granting the huge ask? They didn’t take everything else? And you think this is the NC doing their job?
Still waiting for HBs justification, but I can’t imagine it will have much more to offer than this.
And what was the take for granting the huge ask? They didn’t take everything else? And you think this is the NC doing their job?
Still waiting for HBs justification, but I can’t imagine it will have much more to offer than this.
PBS is pretty standard to most airlines. It’s not as scary as people think it is. You just have to learn how to use it. If you don’t learn, then you will get screwed. If you learn, you can typically get what you want. As long as this system doesn’t globalize, it will be fine.
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