Frontier Negotiations Discussion
12-09-2018, 01:52 PM
#4192
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Who keeps crying she was called a sellout...
You really need to Grow up. I am done with this childish game you play.
At least I have pride in knowing I voted no.
12-09-2018, 02:11 PM
#4195
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 261
No, it’s because a yes vote is a selfish decision. There is no one to convince but yourself with a yes vote. A no vote is a call for unity, it is trying to educate others about what is being lost and at what cost in this TA. Educating is a very hard thing to do, and some people get frustrated when the people they are trying to teach can’t grasp the material.
Sorry but that is totally ridiculous. It’s selfish to you because you don’t agree with it. I could say the exact same thing about voting no. At the end of the day we are all going to vote selfishly. A yes vote also is about trying to educate others about what can be lost if we found ourselves without a contract for another year. I am sure there are a lot of things yes voters could educate you about. I am going to consider what’s best for my family and vote one way or another without giving two ****tss about what anyone else thinks. And you should do the same. We all have our preference. Everything else is just trying to persuade the rest to vote your way. You can do that in a respectful way or in a disrespectful, bullying way. It seems like the no voters are pursuing the bullying way.
12-09-2018, 02:25 PM
#4196
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 579
Sorry but that is totally ridiculous. It’s selfish to you because you don’t agree with it. I could say the exact same thing about voting no. At the end of the day we are all going to vote selfishly. A yes vote also is about trying to educate others about what can be lost if we found ourselves without a contract for another year. I am sure there are a lot of things yes voters could educate you about. I am going to consider what’s best for my family and vote one way or another without giving two ****tss about what anyone else thinks. And you should do the same. We all have our preference. Everything else is just trying to persuade the rest to vote your way. You can do that in a respectful way or in a disrespectful, bullying way. It seems like the no voters are pursuing the bullying way.
Work rules, which affect everyone, are being sold with one clear winner, year 12 CA. If you can consider lowest paid year 12 CA to be a winner. Stand together and enter the pattern, or accept quick cash now and give clear support for F9 and the NMB to hold you out of the pattern for every cycle moving forward. Whether the next cycle is pilot friendly or concessionary make no mistake, if you vote in bottom of the pattern rates and rules now, you will end up at the bottom of the pattern every time moving forward. Go ahead and calculate that.
12-09-2018, 02:52 PM
#4197
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
I don’t know how this place garnered a 100% strike vote based on the amount saying yes to this.
Voting based on fear would’ve never gotten any legacy carrier in this industry what they have today and that was through decades of contentious management/pilot relationships.
Why didn’t we just accept what was offered a year ago?
Voting based on the logic of being afraid of losing this bottom barrel TA today should’ve also applied from day one.
Afraid of the economy? Spirit gained one of their most improved contracts during a recession, all while the legacies were working under concessionary contracts.
AND that was negotiating against Indigo.
There’s a reason Delta just left us out of their latest contract comparison. We’re not in the pattern now nor will this TA get us any where near it. Unless of course you want to work over 82 every month.
Voting based on fear would’ve never gotten any legacy carrier in this industry what they have today and that was through decades of contentious management/pilot relationships.
Why didn’t we just accept what was offered a year ago?
Voting based on the logic of being afraid of losing this bottom barrel TA today should’ve also applied from day one.
Afraid of the economy? Spirit gained one of their most improved contracts during a recession, all while the legacies were working under concessionary contracts.
AND that was negotiating against Indigo.
There’s a reason Delta just left us out of their latest contract comparison. We’re not in the pattern now nor will this TA get us any where near it. Unless of course you want to work over 82 every month.
12-09-2018, 03:47 PM
#4200
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 318
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