Frontier Negotiations Discussion
12-08-2018, 01:20 PM
#4153
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Whiskey, vacation will absolutely be different under PBS, but to state that your 22 day vacation will be 9 under PBS is incorrect. Under PBS if you choose to designate 2 days as inviolate, you will have a block of 9 days off for your vacation. Per the known absences chart in LOA 3 you will be guaranteed AT LEAST an additional 8 days off no matter how junior you are for a total of 17 days off minimum. Then you will use your seniority to bid pairings to either give you more days off of maximize your monthly credit. So, assuming you have vacation in the middle of the month, if you want max days off, you bid a trip at the beginning of the month and one at the end and you wind end up with your 22-25 days off in a row.
If Indigo truly had to have PBS as part of this agreement, they should have showed up to negotiations with PBS language written and be ready to include it as part of this agreement.
The fact that they did not come with PBS language prepared speaks VOLUMES. They did not need it or expect to get it. I wonder if it was a bluff on their part, and they are as surprised as the rest of us that it is part of our new TA.
12-08-2018, 01:37 PM
#4154
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Rusty dumb dumb has already bought that new truck. He’ll be in debt if this doesn’t pass.Please vote yes for him
12-08-2018, 01:42 PM
#4155
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Passing at a 60% yes vote incoming.....
12-08-2018, 01:57 PM
#4156
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What is your premium pay for scheduling calling to ask you to come in? Spirit is 200% when they call
I would hate it if we had guys sucking up the open time to get above 82 hours to get a 25% premium on pay instead of leaving the open time to wait for a call for a 100% premium
I would hate it if we had guys sucking up the open time to get above 82 hours to get a 25% premium on pay instead of leaving the open time to wait for a call for a 100% premium
12-08-2018, 02:08 PM
#4157
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Right. Neither do you. Nor anyone else.
That's the gamble. And a gamble with odds that don't look good to me. I am basing my assumptions on both history (14 month average to reach TA2 from SW & DL) and Indigos stall tactics.
If they stall at all, it will take enough time to reach TA2 that we likely come out behind. I am not willing to take that gamble. The pay raises are a known value, the time to TA2 and the benefits of TA2 are both unknowns.
Add to that the fact that if this TA gets voted down itll likely be by a small margin, meaning that the company will only need to sweeten the pot a little to push it to a Yes vote. Delaying for a unknown amount of time to likely only get a little more is not a gamble I'm willing to take.
That's the gamble. And a gamble with odds that don't look good to me. I am basing my assumptions on both history (14 month average to reach TA2 from SW & DL) and Indigos stall tactics.
If they stall at all, it will take enough time to reach TA2 that we likely come out behind. I am not willing to take that gamble. The pay raises are a known value, the time to TA2 and the benefits of TA2 are both unknowns.
Add to that the fact that if this TA gets voted down itll likely be by a small margin, meaning that the company will only need to sweeten the pot a little to push it to a Yes vote. Delaying for a unknown amount of time to likely only get a little more is not a gamble I'm willing to take.
12-08-2018, 02:14 PM
#4158
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If the average pilot credits over 90 hours a month, wouldn't that make the 75 hour guarantee they are bragging about a moot point?
12-08-2018, 02:20 PM
#4159
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Right. Neither do you. Nor anyone else.
That's the gamble. And a gamble with odds that don't look good to me. I am basing my assumptions on both history (14 month average to reach TA2 from SW & DL) and Indigos stall tactics.
If they stall at all, it will take enough time to reach TA2 that we likely come out behind. I am not willing to take that gamble. The pay raises are a known value, the time to TA2 and the benefits of TA2 are both unknowns.
Add to that the fact that if this TA gets voted down itll likely be by a small margin, meaning that the company will only need to sweeten the pot a little to push it to a Yes vote. Delaying for a unknown amount of time to likely only get a little more is not a gamble I'm willing to take.
That's the gamble. And a gamble with odds that don't look good to me. I am basing my assumptions on both history (14 month average to reach TA2 from SW & DL) and Indigos stall tactics.
If they stall at all, it will take enough time to reach TA2 that we likely come out behind. I am not willing to take that gamble. The pay raises are a known value, the time to TA2 and the benefits of TA2 are both unknowns.
Add to that the fact that if this TA gets voted down itll likely be by a small margin, meaning that the company will only need to sweeten the pot a little to push it to a Yes vote. Delaying for a unknown amount of time to likely only get a little more is not a gamble I'm willing to take.
12-08-2018, 02:40 PM
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Aero, what about the next contract? If we accept substantially less now we will be bargaining from way behind again in 5 years when everyone has leapfrogged us for the 3rd time. The company and the NMB will still use the same argument that the percentage increase from current book is what matters disregarding the overall relative pay disparities between us and everyone else. Do you want to cement us at the bottom in perpetuity? The stigma of being willing to take less will stick to us in every negotiation henceforth. Think long term, this is way more important on whether on not we come out a little ahead or behind with TA2. Some of us have 30+ years left and were planning on making this place a career.
This is a very good post. The time has never been better to get a good contract. There is no reason to settle and be at the bottom.
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