BlackhawkIP

I thought this slide was one of the most enlightening and I was actually surprised they included it in the brief. Clearly shows how low Frontier pilots have been paid since 2007. It also shows how with this TA, Frontier jumps right back to the bottom.

.....but look at that percentage increase, largest increase EVER!

Bahamasflyer

That graph says it all.

Makes me wonder how many of those who want to vote yes are the same guys who married the very first woman who gave them the time of day.

WHY WHY WHY would anyone vote yea for anything less than Jetblue?

And if that’s not enough, no same occ LTD until 65 (even Spirit has that!) as well as strong vacation cx language?? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

ColdWhiskey

The fact that our NC wanted a long duration seriously concerns and disturbs me. Do they not realize we are so far behind our peers and have been for way too long is because our current duration was way too long?

Our long duration put us a couple contract cycles behind everyone else. Many of our peers are now getting ready for opening negotiations. JetBlue is way ahead of us in every regard and their contract is 4 years.

If we agreed to a 3 year duration, nearly everyone else would have new contracts by then. If we ink a 5 year deal and Indigo drags it out another 3 years (and they will), many of our peers will have once again gotten multiple contracts before we have another chance to fix the mistake that we are about to make. And at that point, we will be so far behind everyone else, we will feel it necessary to once again accept a subpar deal just to catch up.

Now is the time to catch up, not 8 years from now. I am willing to take the extra time now to get this right (whether it takes another 6 weeks, 6 months or 2 years). We have the leverage now.

BlackhawkIP

Graph helps validate your comment. This should be reason enough that this contract be significant in all areas. Not just an improvement to what is currently our contract, but how it compares to the industry.

Wheelswatch

BlackhawkIP,

Are you able to access the webinar? I missed it and want to watch it. Where are you getting the slides?

Windsor

DING DING DING DING DING, we have a winner. In their infinite wisdom, they provided the proof we go from industry basement to industry cellar.
Yesterday’s webinar was a joke. We are giving away way too much (vacation, reserve QOL, training pay soft money, positive phone contact, per diem, etc etc) for not much in return except for still sub par pay rates and retirement.
Scheduling flexibility is great. It’s also cost neutral to the company. I’m betting we gave away the farm to keep something that benefits both the company and the pilot group.
Plus, F that loa that allows the company to raise first year FO rates to second year rates unless every FO who was on first year pay during this bonus calculation gets their bonus increased to reflect the new pay rate. Just another example of this union bending over for no good reason.

Wheelswatch

I can't read a single word you're saying! I keep hearing ‎Lynyrd Skynyrd in my head whilst my eyeballs fixate to the upper left of my screen!!!

BlackhawkIP

I took a screen shot of each slide so I could go back and review it. Didn't know if they were going to release the slide deck later or not so wanted to have a reference.

Wheelswatch

No, no, that's fine. Thanks for explaining!

RustyChain

I'm sure a year from now we will be able to get it down to a 4 year deal.