Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-27-2018, 11:07 AM
#3723
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
Their current pay rates throughout the scale.
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
Last edited by Trowserchilli; 11-27-2018 at 11:43 AM.
11-27-2018, 11:37 AM
#3724
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,490
Except B6.
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
11-27-2018, 12:11 PM
#3725
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 641
Duration needs to be shortened. It has been nearly 12 years since our last scheduled contract negotiation. It has be 10 years since our bankruptcy. We are so far behind our peers because they have had a couple negotiation cycles since we have.
We have the contract that we do now because WE agreed to it. WE agreed to the duration. During bankruptcy we had many of the same discussions we are having now. WE allowed a duration that was much too long.
At the time, there were a group a 'Yes' voters saying many of the same things that I am hearing now (that we have no choice, and we must accept this now).
If we agree to a 5 year duration (actually 8) we will ALWAYS be so far behind our peers. They will have multiple contracts before we have an opportunity to once again play catch up.
Let's LEARN FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES!!!!!
This AIP moved us from LAST to LAST. Why would we give that to them for the next 8 years?
We have the contract that we do now because WE agreed to it. WE agreed to the duration. During bankruptcy we had many of the same discussions we are having now. WE allowed a duration that was much too long.
At the time, there were a group a 'Yes' voters saying many of the same things that I am hearing now (that we have no choice, and we must accept this now).
If we agree to a 5 year duration (actually 8) we will ALWAYS be so far behind our peers. They will have multiple contracts before we have an opportunity to once again play catch up.
Let's LEARN FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES!!!!!
This AIP moved us from LAST to LAST. Why would we give that to them for the next 8 years?
Guys and Gals, ColdWhiskey is spot on here!!!! Please soak this in and really think about what is going on. I will at least read the contract fully before I make my final decision and I believe everybody else should do the same whether you are leaning one way or the other.
Last edited by Bolo; 11-27-2018 at 12:25 PM.
11-27-2018, 12:20 PM
#3727
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: A319/A320/A321 CA
Posts: 363
11-27-2018, 03:18 PM
#3728
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
Except B6.
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
Their current pay rates throughout the scale.
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
Their current pay rates throughout the scale.
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
11-27-2018, 03:46 PM
#3729
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
Except B6.
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
Their current pay rates throughout the scale.
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
They managed a FIRST CONTRACT with:
Their current pay rates throughout the scale.
A 4yr deal.
Profit Sharing
2.5 hr short call reserve
14hr long call reserve
JA pay 200%
$13 hr night pay
Ability to sell un-used PTO back each month at 100%
$2.35 Dom per diem, $2.55 International
Int override CA $5hr and FO $4hr
15% DC, 16% 1/21
Own occupation LTD until 65.
AND our place is more profitable.
11-27-2018, 05:31 PM
#3730
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 579
I’m just trying to wrap my head around the bizarre justifications. B6 pilots deserve more because they started with more? Shouldn’t the pilot group that has been subsidizing corporate profits with cheap labor be the ones who deserve more? If one group starts as second class citizens and another starts as indentured servants, it doesn’t mean the servants should demand anything less than equality.
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