Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-22-2018, 12:55 PM
#3601
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 146
You are right. He did (and get) our get our respect until he decided to start his sales campaign. At that point, no I can’t continue to support or praise the guy when he is truly pushing us into a bottom status. Maybe you can but I’d say your gutless if that is the case... this is a bad deal and we know it. Some just posted on the group page about 3 yrs contract. I agree. We could holdout heads at least above water with a 3 yr deal
11-22-2018, 12:55 PM
#3602
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Position: FL
Posts: 381
You are right. He did (and get) our get our respect until he decided to start his sales campaign. At that point, no I can’t continue to support or praise the guy when he is truly pushing us into a bottom status. Maybe you can but I’d say your gutless if that is the case... this is a bad deal and we know it. Some just posted on the group page about 3 yrs contract. I agree. We could holdout heads at least above water with a 3 yr deal
You just can't make this stuff up...🙄
11-22-2018, 06:22 PM
#3603
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: ce560
Posts: 231
BK is posting mathematical facts, not his opinion. I’m a no vote for now, I’ll roll the dice, however you cannot argue mathematical proof.
Amazing someone tells you 2+2=4 and people want to argue it’s validity.
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Amazing someone tells you 2+2=4 and people want to argue it’s validity.
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11-22-2018, 06:39 PM
#3604
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 146
How do you know the pilot recruiters are telling the truth?
11-22-2018, 07:05 PM
#3605
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,490
BK is providing us a calculator to make an informed decision. To ridicule him and his effort is ridiculous.
To those of you arguing that he's just become a salesman, I ask you this: what's more valuable, a calculator to provide information, or guys just totally making up BS on the forums with zero proof?
From my understanding, the calculators will become available for everyone to use and experiment with different numbers. How long do you think itll take to reach TA2? 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? You can use his calculator to see how it will effect your earnings over time. That's not a salesman, that's providing facts.
Some guys, (Reserve CA), might be surprised to see how much a No vote might cost them.
To those of you arguing that he's just become a salesman, I ask you this: what's more valuable, a calculator to provide information, or guys just totally making up BS on the forums with zero proof?
From my understanding, the calculators will become available for everyone to use and experiment with different numbers. How long do you think itll take to reach TA2? 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? You can use his calculator to see how it will effect your earnings over time. That's not a salesman, that's providing facts.
Some guys, (Reserve CA), might be surprised to see how much a No vote might cost them.
11-22-2018, 07:50 PM
#3606
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 491
Out of curiosity, how much additional back pay or signing bonus is BK factoring in?
I would think that one of the improvements we would seek in a modified AIP is a greater percentage of back pay.
Out of curiosity, how much is BK factoring in for loss of income if a person medicals out, but is limited to $8k per month for only 2 years because the insurance company deems him capable of making a replacement income.
I would hope that improved LTD would be part of a revised AIP.
Do BK’s calculations include the absence of profit sharing for the next 5-7 years?
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
Yes, numbers and math are absolute, but formulating the actual equation is very much a subjective undertaking.
I would think that one of the improvements we would seek in a modified AIP is a greater percentage of back pay.
Out of curiosity, how much is BK factoring in for loss of income if a person medicals out, but is limited to $8k per month for only 2 years because the insurance company deems him capable of making a replacement income.
I would hope that improved LTD would be part of a revised AIP.
Do BK’s calculations include the absence of profit sharing for the next 5-7 years?
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
Yes, numbers and math are absolute, but formulating the actual equation is very much a subjective undertaking.
11-23-2018, 12:27 AM
#3607
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 617
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
11-23-2018, 04:42 AM
#3608
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 443
Out of curiosity, how much additional back pay or signing bonus is BK factoring in?
I would think that one of the improvements we would seek in a modified AIP is a greater percentage of back pay.
Out of curiosity, how much is BK factoring in for loss of income if a person medicals out, but is limited to $8k per month for only 2 years because the insurance company deems him capable of making a replacement income.
I would hope that improved LTD would be part of a revised AIP.
Do BK’s calculations include the absence of profit sharing for the next 5-7 years?
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
Yes, numbers and math are absolute, but formulating the actual equation is very much a subjective undertaking.
I would think that one of the improvements we would seek in a modified AIP is a greater percentage of back pay.
Out of curiosity, how much is BK factoring in for loss of income if a person medicals out, but is limited to $8k per month for only 2 years because the insurance company deems him capable of making a replacement income.
I would hope that improved LTD would be part of a revised AIP.
Do BK’s calculations include the absence of profit sharing for the next 5-7 years?
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
Yes, numbers and math are absolute, but formulating the actual equation is very much a subjective undertaking.
11-23-2018, 05:55 AM
#3609
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 191
Out of curiosity, how much additional back pay or signing bonus is BK factoring in?
I would think that one of the improvements we would seek in a modified AIP is a greater percentage of back pay.
Out of curiosity, how much is BK factoring in for loss of income if a person medicals out, but is limited to $8k per month for only 2 years because the insurance company deems him capable of making a replacement income.
I would hope that improved LTD would be part of a revised AIP.
Do BK’s calculations include the absence of profit sharing for the next 5-7 years?
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
Yes, numbers and math are absolute, but formulating the actual equation is very much a subjective undertaking.
I would think that one of the improvements we would seek in a modified AIP is a greater percentage of back pay.
Out of curiosity, how much is BK factoring in for loss of income if a person medicals out, but is limited to $8k per month for only 2 years because the insurance company deems him capable of making a replacement income.
I would hope that improved LTD would be part of a revised AIP.
Do BK’s calculations include the absence of profit sharing for the next 5-7 years?
Do BK’s calculations include the loss of career earnings Frontier pilots will face by accepting the notion and setting a precedent that we should be paid less than other domestic narrow body pilots? Or that we’re abandoning the long held ALPA notion that pilots should be paid at least partly based on the seating capacity of the airplanes they fly?
Yes, numbers and math are absolute, but formulating the actual equation is very much a subjective undertaking.
11-23-2018, 05:57 AM
#3610
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 21
In his video he ONLY and simply showed what a delayed TA would cost him (11 years till retirement), a newly minted young jr CA, and our newest, most jr new hire if a contract was delayed. In his calculator you could make all your own assumptions on timeframe and gain from TA#2. Basic math and "facts". He also posted some colorful charts that show other "facts".
Now those "facts" are a "sales campaign" to "sway yes voters"; taking away from your ability to sway no voters (with hysteria)...
You are starting to get hysterical and discredit yourself...turn off the ipad, have a beer, and get laid.
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