motorboatin

This is incorrect. The five years starts DOS and continues until a final 3% bump takes place on 3/2/2023.

DrJekyll MrHyde

I think the question people are struggling with in regards to duration is, when is the amendable date? Subtract 6 months from that and you have the early opener to section 6 negotiations.

If the amendable date is in MAR2023 then the contract is slightly over 4 years. If the amendable date is in MAR2024, one year after the last pay bump, then it is slightly over 5 years. I’m guessing it is the latter, because the union emails would have framed it as “slightly over 4 years” if that were the case.

motorboatin

So obviously the contract duration is set, meaning there’s no renegotiating that part. Also, the last two years of the deal up for TA vote are solidifying 3% increases on the largest numbers to date. Also, NO airline in the modern era that’s comparable to us has ever increased at some percentage for the foreseeable near term. The cost of living adjustment argument that’s being thrown around out there goes to show a certain level of general understanding. Cost of living adjustments are used by the Govt and specifically the Social Security Administraton and as a benchmark for low income earners to keep people’s ability to maintain a certain minimum level of living, e.g. the ability to buy milk, bread, need based life essentials. Not to put a new lift-kit or spinners on your Denali.

dracir1

Oh I get that. I’m of the thought process that since the company “sprang” PBS at the last minute (while saying earlier it wasn’t part of the negotiations) that gives our NC some wiggle room in terms of introducing new things as well as bringing up previously negotiated items. That includes contract duration, LTD and profit sharing.

This company needs some sort of motivation to come back to the table sooner than later. This AIP sucks. We know it but more importantly so do they. Of course, they will try and use every excuse to disallow anything we bring up at this point. I don’t care. I’m not interested in what they call industry standard because this AIP falls way short of that. And while I truly expect a road show where the MEC/NC pats themselves on the back and tells me how this is such as success and how this is the best we’re gonna get, I think there’s more.

That’s why they’re called negotiations.

ReserveCA

EVERYTHING is open until the vote closes...

fcoolaiddrinker

generally once theres a AIP the only issues yet to resolved are grievances that will still be a contract violation under the new contract and when certain items (pay rates, rigs, and other scheduling items) go into effect. Software needs to be updated and configured. Then comes the TA. Their not negotiating much outside that. After TA any issues are normally resolved with LOA's, MOU's, examples and definitions.

motorboatin

Completely wrong. The AIP is effectively the end of negotiations. Your continued display of bad instinct and poor judgement is almost unbelievable.

dracir1

You are correct.

So send this back with a Post It note - 3 yr contract and 1% PS on every dollar (paid quarterly).

butthert

Attend a roadshow and stop spouting nonsense.

ReserveCA

Tell me genius.....so why vote?

It is the final trump card in negotiations