Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-20-2018, 05:42 AM
#3542
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 453
Unfortunately guys here are stuck in small, bankrupt, beat down airline mode. Even one of the NC members bragged about how many credits he could attain by working on one of his vacations.
I’m not interested in selling points of what happens after 82hr. Nor how many credits I can attain by working on my vacation days.
I’m interested in what happens for 75hr a month, our guarantee. Also enjoying my vacation days off and my other days off in a normal month. Not being strapped to flica alerts to go over 82hr.
In fact we should have negotiated a CREDIT CAP. Let’s promote growing the seniority list and making more people captains.
How about working smarter for more rather then working harder for more. How about an industry average wage so you can work your schedule and enjoy your days off?
I’m not interested in selling points of what happens after 82hr. Nor how many credits I can attain by working on my vacation days.
I’m interested in what happens for 75hr a month, our guarantee. Also enjoying my vacation days off and my other days off in a normal month. Not being strapped to flica alerts to go over 82hr.
In fact we should have negotiated a CREDIT CAP. Let’s promote growing the seniority list and making more people captains.
How about working smarter for more rather then working harder for more. How about an industry average wage so you can work your schedule and enjoy your days off?
11-20-2018, 05:44 AM
#3543
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 16
I contend that the "wait and see" voices of reason are either dishonest about that or nieve. It sounds logical but not when you pay attention to the reality of events that have transpired. Go back to your 9-months-ago self and imagine that you'd be rationalizing voting in something this horrendous after what your union expressed to you.
Voting YES folks. Anyone than can't piece together all the parts of this to see the total value, has done themselves a disservice. Do yourself a favor and factor in 3.5 rig, full pay DH, 5hr FDP minimum and apply it to your current schedule for next month. Calculate the pay at your current rate and with current work rules, then apply your DC. Then, do it with the new work rule changes, with your new rate, then apply your new DC. It's staggering.
Focusing on the rate alone is not the proper analysis. Don't micro-focus. Look at the big picture and you'll see the power of what's at your doorstep.
Vote YES.
11-20-2018, 05:50 AM
#3544
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 491
11-20-2018, 05:51 AM
#3545
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: A320
Posts: 241
Maybe I'm just, as you say "nieve" (in itself a demonstration of brilliance) or maybe, as you say, I'm just a member of a "weak d^ck, self-devaluated pilot group"
Voting YES folks. Anyone than can't piece together all the parts of this to see the total value, has done themselves a disservice. Do yourself a favor and factor in 3.5 rig, full pay DH, 5hr FDP minimum and apply it to your current schedule for next month. Calculate the pay at your current rate and with current work rules, then apply your DC. Then, do it with the new work rule changes, with your new rate, then apply your new DC. It's staggering.
Focusing on the rate alone is not the proper analysis. Don't micro-focus. Look at the big picture and you'll see the power of what's at your doorstep.
Vote YES.
Voting YES folks. Anyone than can't piece together all the parts of this to see the total value, has done themselves a disservice. Do yourself a favor and factor in 3.5 rig, full pay DH, 5hr FDP minimum and apply it to your current schedule for next month. Calculate the pay at your current rate and with current work rules, then apply your DC. Then, do it with the new work rule changes, with your new rate, then apply your new DC. It's staggering.
Focusing on the rate alone is not the proper analysis. Don't micro-focus. Look at the big picture and you'll see the power of what's at your doorstep.
Vote YES.
Us against these DEN yes men, folks.....please read once it is released multiple times, and then vote intelligently, not impulsively.
In Unity
11-20-2018, 05:58 AM
#3546
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 16
And again a resounding straw man Yes sheeple, complete with zero seconds reviewing the AIP details. But hey, why do that, right? BB doesn’t want anyone to read the fine print, I’m sure.
Us against these DEN yes men, folks.....please read once it is released multiple times, and then vote intelligently, not impulsively.
In Unity
Us against these DEN yes men, folks.....please read once it is released multiple times, and then vote intelligently, not impulsively.
In Unity
11-20-2018, 05:59 AM
#3547
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 191
And again a resounding straw man Yes sheeple, complete with zero seconds reviewing the AIP details. But hey, why do that, right? BB doesn’t want anyone to read the fine print, I’m sure.
Us against these DEN yes men, folks.....please read once it is released multiple times, and then vote intelligently, not impulsively.
In Unity
Us against these DEN yes men, folks.....please read once it is released multiple times, and then vote intelligently, not impulsively.
In Unity
11-20-2018, 06:03 AM
#3548
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 85
Maybe I'm just, as you say "nieve" (in itself a demonstration of brilliance) or maybe, as you say, I'm just a member of a "weak d^ck, self-devaluated pilot group"
Voting YES folks. Anyone than can't piece together all the parts of this to see the total value, has done themselves a disservice. Do yourself a favor and factor in 3.5 rig, full pay DH, 5hr FDP minimum and apply it to your current schedule for next month. Calculate the pay at your current rate and with current work rules, then apply your DC. Then, do it with the new work rule changes, with your new rate, then apply your new DC. It's staggering.
Focusing on the rate alone is not the proper analysis. Don't micro-focus. Look at the big picture and you'll see the power of what's at your doorstep.
Vote YES.
Voting YES folks. Anyone than can't piece together all the parts of this to see the total value, has done themselves a disservice. Do yourself a favor and factor in 3.5 rig, full pay DH, 5hr FDP minimum and apply it to your current schedule for next month. Calculate the pay at your current rate and with current work rules, then apply your DC. Then, do it with the new work rule changes, with your new rate, then apply your new DC. It's staggering.
Focusing on the rate alone is not the proper analysis. Don't micro-focus. Look at the big picture and you'll see the power of what's at your doorstep.
Vote YES.
Just an industry average contract should look staggering in comparison to our current rates. Did I mention, industry average...Not in comparison to Spirit alone
11-20-2018, 06:12 AM
#3549
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 85
It is funny that the premium pay over 82 is looked at as an improvement or gain.
We already have this. Just because this was one of the many concessions that Indigo demanded during negotiations doesn't mean it is a gain. The market adjustment to our current CBA and that we deserve during this period of pattern bargaining to bring a 2007 CBA to date, should be book or better in most areas....Not an additional concessionary correction.
We already have this. Just because this was one of the many concessions that Indigo demanded during negotiations doesn't mean it is a gain. The market adjustment to our current CBA and that we deserve during this period of pattern bargaining to bring a 2007 CBA to date, should be book or better in most areas....Not an additional concessionary correction.
11-20-2018, 06:18 AM
#3550
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 16
This is exactly how it has been presented to me by a few reps. Get used to it. This is what you will hear from our MEC and NC regarding what a great deal this is.
Just an industry average contract should look staggering in comparison to our current rates. Did I mention, industry average...Not in comparison to Spirit alone
Just an industry average contract should look staggering in comparison to our current rates. Did I mention, industry average...Not in comparison to Spirit alone
Someone previously said that this is a cost neutral AIP. That person may be the single most under-informed individual on the entire APC forums.
Voting YES, with at least 75% of my brothers. Get used to it.
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