Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-18-2018, 08:08 AM
#3471
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I don’t? So what were the bullet points? Toilet paper? I already know what the roadshow is going to say - vote yes because it’s the best we’re gonna get.
How do you think any achievement in the world was ever achieved - Because the ones in power just decided to give up? Why are you so scared of fighting? We have already WAITED LONGER than everyone else. We just gotta sign in this substandard contract in place now because ? Because why? I’m still not convinced this is the best they will offer.
No name calling from me. No disrespect to my fellow pilots. If we accept this AIP then it’s mine too. No after the fact whining or I told you so from me. But it’s difficult for me to believe we are this scared of a group.
How do you think any achievement in the world was ever achieved - Because the ones in power just decided to give up? Why are you so scared of fighting? We have already WAITED LONGER than everyone else. We just gotta sign in this substandard contract in place now because ? Because why? I’m still not convinced this is the best they will offer.
No name calling from me. No disrespect to my fellow pilots. If we accept this AIP then it’s mine too. No after the fact whining or I told you so from me. But it’s difficult for me to believe we are this scared of a group.
11-18-2018, 08:12 AM
#3472
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11-18-2018, 08:12 AM
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That’s how change is ACHIEVED.
Indigo is fishing. They don’t want to pay nickel more than they HAVE to but they do want the company (most likely to sell at a tremendous profit). If 245 won’t get 50.1% well then maybe 246 will. Or 248. Or 248 and 1% profit sharing. Or . . . Who knows. We already are accepting PBS and probably some really crappy rules associated with it. What did giving up line bidding mean to you? How much should the company pay you to give it up?
Everyone just ASSUMES this is their top offer.
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11-18-2018, 08:19 AM
#3474
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I know what I'm voting NO on. Having to magically credit over 130 hours a month to even come close to reaching industry AVERAGE compensation in seat and longevity.
That's crediting over 120 hours then 1.25% over 82 to get Industry average pay.
With our amazing enhancing company and union collaborated industry leading undefined PBS system.
NO
That's crediting over 120 hours then 1.25% over 82 to get Industry average pay.
With our amazing enhancing company and union collaborated industry leading undefined PBS system.
NO
“The way I see it, I’ll be making over $300/hr with a new contract four months a year during my vacation months when I credit in the 150/hr/month range.
I know it’s fun to say everything you said, and a lot of pilots get onto that moronic bandwagon, but educate yourself. Adopting pbs and giving up vacation as we know it, scheduling flexibility and premium pay is not something I’m willing to do. Are you???”
Plan eight more years of sacraficing your vacation to credit 150 hours a month and living on the flica open time folder to get a AVERAGE payrate.
F9ALPA, winning the race from the bottom to the bottom!
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11-18-2018, 09:15 AM
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I know what I'm voting NO on. Having to magically credit over 130 hours a month to even come close to reaching industry AVERAGE compensation in seat and longevity.
That's crediting over 120 hours then 1.25% over 82 to get Industry average pay.
With our amazing enhancing company and union collaborated industry leading undefined PBS system.
NO
That's crediting over 120 hours then 1.25% over 82 to get Industry average pay.
With our amazing enhancing company and union collaborated industry leading undefined PBS system.
NO
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
11-18-2018, 09:34 AM
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Dude.... come on. You are welcome to point out that our rates are below industry standard, but you shouldn't make up total BS. If you credit 120 hours here, you will make way more money than industry standard. At 245 an hour, crediting 120 is over $32,000 a month. If you are arguing you have to fly that much to make the same as other airlines where pilots average 77 hours, that would be $415 an hour. Last time I check United doesn't pay Airbus pilots 414 an hour.
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
So top of scale United pilot makes $2k / month more. Or $24k a year. Or $240k over 10 years. And that’s IF United doesn’t renegotiate for more (which they probably will).
If you compare that from a 5 year CA, you’d see even more difference.
11-18-2018, 09:34 AM
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Dude.... come on. You are welcome to point out that our rates are below industry standard, but you shouldn't make up total BS. If you credit 120 hours here, you will make way more money than industry standard. At 245 an hour, crediting 120 is over $32,000 a month. If you are arguing you have to fly that much to make the same as other airlines where pilots average 77 hours, that would be $415 an hour. Last time I check United doesn't pay Airbus pilots 414 an hour.
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
These No Vote posts are border-lining on hysteria.
11-18-2018, 09:48 AM
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Dude.... come on. You are welcome to point out that our rates are below industry standard, but you shouldn't make up total BS. If you credit 120 hours here, you will make way more money than industry standard. At 245 an hour, crediting 120 is over $32,000 a month. If you are arguing you have to fly that much to make the same as other airlines where pilots average 77 hours, that would be $415 an hour. Last time I check United doesn't pay Airbus pilots 414 an hour.
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
11-18-2018, 09:52 AM
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Dude.... come on. You are welcome to point out that our rates are below industry standard, but you shouldn't make up total BS. If you credit 120 hours here, you will make way more money than industry standard. At 245 an hour, crediting 120 is over $32,000 a month. If you are arguing you have to fly that much to make the same as other airlines where pilots average 77 hours, that would be $415 an hour. Last time I check United doesn't pay Airbus pilots 414 an hour.
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
Let's please discuss facts based in reality. Let's try some real math
Top of scale United Airbus captains make 261 or 272 depending on 319 or 320. Our new rates as of March will be 245.
United A320: 272×75= 20,400.
Frontier A320: 245×75= 18,400.
A frontier pilot must credit an additional 8 hours, not the additional 55 hours you claimed.
Can we please try to have a discussion based in reality?
11-18-2018, 09:56 AM
#3480
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I am not on 12th year pay myself. I'm mid payscale. I simply picked one point to do my math as an example.
Also, I want to clarify my position. I am currently undecided in my vote. I wont decide until I have studied the full TA. I am not arguing that I am voting yes or that anyone else should either.
If you are unwilling to vote yes on a deal unless we meet United pay, that's fine. I have no problem with that. What I'm not cool with is statements like " you need to credit 130an hour to come closer to average" that's just nonsense
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