Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-16-2018, 04:47 AM
#3392
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Come on, let's use some logic here. UAL has hired in the neighborhood of 3000 pilots in the last 5 years. To think that the 5 year upgrade would even come close to continuing would be completely irrational. The only reason UAL and DAL have a "short" upgrade time is because of a lack of hiring for so many years followed by a hiring spree.
11-16-2018, 04:52 AM
#3393
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You are absolutely clueless. Those numbers will continue through the entire duration of this proposed contract (contract term plus the next negotiation cycle). It’s not some coincidental hiring spree after a hiring drought, it’s based upon some growth but mostly on attrition from retirements (which are not nearly at their peak numbers).
11-16-2018, 05:39 AM
#3397
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Not the case, sir. My opinion (yes it is my opinion) is fact based with no agenda. However, it is an informed opinion. I engage with my MEC. I don’t spout off based upon $hit I read on FB or rhetoric spilled on the line. I do realize my value and I’m smart enough to analyze what the bullet pointed rules I can quantify do for me in the world of the new contract. I’m not a simpleton that just looks at rates and then stomps my feet because I wanted more. I realize that the work rules I have turns the $245/hr rate (I’d have liked to see higher) do more for me than any of my counterparts at other airlines. I’ll bet anyone that my work rules will afford me a larger W2 than ANY of our legacy counterparts if they were using the same rate using their workrules. Point being, you don’t have to make Legacy rates to make Legacy W2 income.
By working more hours, right? That's what you're excited out with this agreement? Are you excited that you'll be able to match a legacy w2 by continuing to ***** yourself out? Based on your calculations how much standing under the overpass are you going to have to do to match a legacy w2?
I'll never vote yes on this because of the unacceptably low payrates and work rules that incentivize pimping yourself out to earn a comparable w2. That alone is 100% no vote from me, right now. To rave about vacation is a joke. Are peoples' memories really this short?
And speaking of vacation, I really wish people would stop mentioning dropping to 60 in a vacation month. That provision doesn't exist in the real world. It's only 6 months of the year at the company's discretion, right? That's an imaginary benefit like our 5 min avg duty period.
This used car might have 6/10 paint and cracked leather heated seats, but it's missing the engine.
11-16-2018, 05:40 AM
#3398
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Come on, let's use some logic here. UAL has hired in the neighborhood of 3000 pilots in the last 5 years. To think that the 5 year upgrade would even come close to continuing would be completely irrational. The only reason UAL and DAL have a "short" upgrade time is because of a lack of hiring for so many years followed by a hiring spree.
The real sad thing is, we essentially GAVE AWAY line bidding for nothing in return. It wasn't like we had a below industry average wage scale and line bidding and the company offered PBS and we countered w/ the need for a higher wage scale to accept it. We just accepted PBS (and with no specific rules already agreed upon) and got nothing in return for it. At least FAPA would've gotten rid of the hat requirement.
You know, maybe you're right. Maybe our NC and MEC are all attorneys. Because it's beyond me how any self-serving pilot would accept what the company offered and/or have a viewpoint like yours on this matter.
You should change your screename to DENattorney...
11-16-2018, 05:53 AM
#3399
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I honestly believe our MEC has our best interest at heart. That said, I also believe they’re either being misguided by ALPA attorneys who just want this done with or they have lost their will to fight. Either way it’s up to the pilots here to set them straight. I honestly don’t believe we will. I expect this turd to pass by at least 65%.
11-16-2018, 06:32 AM
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By working more hours, right? That's what you're excited out with this agreement? Are you excited that you'll be able to match a legacy w2 by continuing to ***** yourself out? Based on your calculations how much standing under the overpass are you going to have to do to match a legacy w2?
I'll never vote yes on this because of the unacceptably low payrates and work rules that incentivize pimping yourself out to earn a comparable w2. That alone is 100% no vote from me, right now. To rave about vacation is a joke. Are peoples' memories really this short?
And speaking of vacation, I really wish people would stop mentioning dropping to 60 in a vacation month. That provision doesn't exist in the real world. It's only 6 months of the year at the company's discretion, right? That's an imaginary benefit like our 5 min avg duty period.
This used car might have 6/10 paint and cracked leather heated seats, but it's missing the engine.
I'll never vote yes on this because of the unacceptably low payrates and work rules that incentivize pimping yourself out to earn a comparable w2. That alone is 100% no vote from me, right now. To rave about vacation is a joke. Are peoples' memories really this short?
And speaking of vacation, I really wish people would stop mentioning dropping to 60 in a vacation month. That provision doesn't exist in the real world. It's only 6 months of the year at the company's discretion, right? That's an imaginary benefit like our 5 min avg duty period.
This used car might have 6/10 paint and cracked leather heated seats, but it's missing the engine.
But I see your logic. Vote NO to keep yourself solidified at the bottom for some undetermined amount of time because your pride and fruitless desire to measure up with some friend of yours that works for a respectable carrier. Never gonna happen, man! W2 is what matters, W2 W2 W2 W2 W2 W2....how many times can I say it. Vegas has the percentages on this deal passing to be way above 50%. This forum is NOT indicative of the whole.
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