Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-13-2018, 08:00 AM
#3273
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11-13-2018, 09:58 AM
#3276
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I’m letting my wife vote for me. Is...is that frowned upon? Cuz if it’s a yes vote, I can be like “guys, c’mon, it was the boss’ orders”. But if it’s a no vote, I can be like “YEAHHHH, unity....and such”.
Then, like, when we’re in the cockpit, and you’re showing me your screenshot of you voting no, and your three lanyards, I can be all “bro, the lady has my login, you understand, right? Will you still respect me?”
In the end, it doesn’t even matter how I vote, cuz, like, I’m just proud to be part of the the Special Olympics new winter Sport inclusion: Airline Pilot TA voting. There are no losers, just those that participated.
“I dunno Jon, ReserveCA is favored to win this years gold in No Voting. But Mugatu, PulledBreaker, and V1Mcdoucherson have upped their game in 2018, I really think it’s a toss-up. But on the yes-vote, Motorboatin and the other 1247 Frontier Pilots might just be able to stack the “D” and hold the rest of the “No’s” at bay”.
Hey, you’re all winners, and you all deserve participation trophies. Especially the multiple-lanyard folk. Best of luck.
Then, like, when we’re in the cockpit, and you’re showing me your screenshot of you voting no, and your three lanyards, I can be all “bro, the lady has my login, you understand, right? Will you still respect me?”
In the end, it doesn’t even matter how I vote, cuz, like, I’m just proud to be part of the the Special Olympics new winter Sport inclusion: Airline Pilot TA voting. There are no losers, just those that participated.
“I dunno Jon, ReserveCA is favored to win this years gold in No Voting. But Mugatu, PulledBreaker, and V1Mcdoucherson have upped their game in 2018, I really think it’s a toss-up. But on the yes-vote, Motorboatin and the other 1247 Frontier Pilots might just be able to stack the “D” and hold the rest of the “No’s” at bay”.
Hey, you’re all winners, and you all deserve participation trophies. Especially the multiple-lanyard folk. Best of luck.
Me: Hey honey looks like the company and the union are finally coming to an agreement for the contract.
Her: How’s it look?
Me: Not so great, come see. One of my co-workers graphed our pay relative to everyone else in the industry.
Her: Are you one of the three lines at the top?
Me: No that’s American, Delta, and United.
Her: Oh so you must be one of the four lines clustered in the middle.
Me: No that’s Southwest, JetBlue, Hawaiian, and Alaskan.
Her: I’m sorry I can’t find Frontier.
Me: See that yellow and green line at the bottom that looks kinda like vomit, that’s us and Spirit.
Her: Well they must be making it up to you with industry leading retirement contributions.
Me: No we’re last there too.
Her: Babe money isn’t everything, at least you get to keep that amazing perk where you turned 8 days of vacation in 27 straight days off last summer and took me on that romantic trip to Mont St Michel.
Me:
Her:
Me:
Her: I want a divorce.
11-13-2018, 10:23 AM
#3277
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..........Alpa Newswire
Frontier Pilots Reach Agreement in Principle with Company on New Contract
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Today, Frontier Airlines pilots,Who are somewhat represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), announced they have reached an agreement in principle (AIP) on a collective bargaining agreement after more than two-and-a half-years of negotiations with management. This agreement must be reviewed and approved by the Frontier ALPA Master Executive Council (MEC), which will vote on whether to send it out to the pilot group for a full ratification vote.
The AIP includes substantial yet industry lacking and nonstandard improvements to pay, work rules, retirement, health insurance, and disability benefits. It supposedly retains the value of existing contract scheduling and vacation language and includes a slap in the face along with a $75 million ratification bonus to recognize the lengthy period of time it took to "negotiate" this agreement.
“ALPA’s goal from the beginning of negotiations has been to attain a market-rate agreement that brought the Frontier pilots into line with our professional peers who fly similar aircraft and routes,” said Frontier MEC chairman Capt. Tracy Smith. “We believe with this agreement we have achieved that goal,” says the Frontier MEC Chairman as he looks at the ground with his hands in his pockets.
ALPA has been in contract talks with Frontier since March 2016, and the two sides have been in federal mediation since November 2016. Frontier’s pilots will still be the lowest-paid in the United States for their aircraft type and are the last in the nation who still work under a contract negotiated while their airline was in bankruptcy, and now into the future, while making incredible profits..
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing more than 61,000 pilots at 34 airlines in the United States and Canada, including the more than 500, 12-year-longevity Frontier Airlines pilots. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Advancing Aviation Safety and Security since 1931 or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Today, Frontier Airlines pilots,Who are somewhat represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), announced they have reached an agreement in principle (AIP) on a collective bargaining agreement after more than two-and-a half-years of negotiations with management. This agreement must be reviewed and approved by the Frontier ALPA Master Executive Council (MEC), which will vote on whether to send it out to the pilot group for a full ratification vote.
The AIP includes substantial yet industry lacking and nonstandard improvements to pay, work rules, retirement, health insurance, and disability benefits. It supposedly retains the value of existing contract scheduling and vacation language and includes a slap in the face along with a $75 million ratification bonus to recognize the lengthy period of time it took to "negotiate" this agreement.
“ALPA’s goal from the beginning of negotiations has been to attain a market-rate agreement that brought the Frontier pilots into line with our professional peers who fly similar aircraft and routes,” said Frontier MEC chairman Capt. Tracy Smith. “We believe with this agreement we have achieved that goal,” says the Frontier MEC Chairman as he looks at the ground with his hands in his pockets.
ALPA has been in contract talks with Frontier since March 2016, and the two sides have been in federal mediation since November 2016. Frontier’s pilots will still be the lowest-paid in the United States for their aircraft type and are the last in the nation who still work under a contract negotiated while their airline was in bankruptcy, and now into the future, while making incredible profits..
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing more than 61,000 pilots at 34 airlines in the United States and Canada, including the more than 500, 12-year-longevity Frontier Airlines pilots. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Advancing Aviation Safety and Security since 1931 or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.
11-13-2018, 10:57 AM
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I had a similar experience except it was followed by a “so I guess you didn’t waste your time preparing your applications.”
11-13-2018, 11:37 AM
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Was talking to my wife about the AIP this morning. She tells me, "they didn't bring you into the pattern with this AIP, they ran you through the jet intake!" Made me laugh. How do you even know about engine intakes? Lol.
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11-13-2018, 12:29 PM
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Vacation Slide
There seems to be some confusion among people about vacation slide. I don’t have insider knowledge but extrapolating a little from the email last Friday I think this is worth discussing.
I believe some people are thinking that you’ll be able to slide your vacation AFTER PBS awards you a line. This will not be the case. The benefit of vacation slide under PBS is that you can guarantee certain days off. For example you need the 12th-17th off for a cruise but your vacation week is the 15th-21st. You can then slide those days to cover your cruise. Each day of vacation should be worth 5 hours (waiting for more details on that).
The way it looks though, your vacation slide will happen BEFORE the bid run. This protects the days off you require. The only way having a vacation month will allow you to make more at premium is because you’ll have a few extra days off a month (likely minimum days off in a vacation month will be 15 or 16 but waiting for language) with an additional 35 hours of credit. With seniority you could get more than minimum days off.
I think most people who have used PBS know this already but if you haven’t, this is how it works.
I believe some people are thinking that you’ll be able to slide your vacation AFTER PBS awards you a line. This will not be the case. The benefit of vacation slide under PBS is that you can guarantee certain days off. For example you need the 12th-17th off for a cruise but your vacation week is the 15th-21st. You can then slide those days to cover your cruise. Each day of vacation should be worth 5 hours (waiting for more details on that).
The way it looks though, your vacation slide will happen BEFORE the bid run. This protects the days off you require. The only way having a vacation month will allow you to make more at premium is because you’ll have a few extra days off a month (likely minimum days off in a vacation month will be 15 or 16 but waiting for language) with an additional 35 hours of credit. With seniority you could get more than minimum days off.
I think most people who have used PBS know this already but if you haven’t, this is how it works.
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