flycrj200

I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused. Is this speculation or solid information that you received from the union! I do not recall any communications from the union regarding the current negotiation session.

LakeshoreFlyer

I can understand your confusion. It's neither speculation nor is it solid information. It's 'leaked' information... falls between the cracks. You know, stuff that comes from a guy that knows a guy that's in the know. Either way, it is what is going on and what is coming. You can wait for it to be official or you can start thinking about it now. I just think it's good to discuss it sooner then later so peoples voices can be heard before decisions are made. It's easier to steer a decision then it is to overturn one.

Notarealpilot

Yeah I’ve heard from a source the PBS stuff is true as well.

CantStayAway

Agreed wholeheartedly. This is what I’ve been saying for the last week. All the naysayers who say we shouldn’t discuss the pros and cons of pbs are potentially going to be blindsided by pbs and then scrambling to figure out what is and isn’t acceptable within pbs itself. However, if that happens they’ll be inundated with spin from union leadership only focusing on the positives.

My fear is that people may see “big” dollar signs and lose sight of what we’ll be giving up. Coupled with the fact that any pbs system that the company agrees to will not be one that I want to work under.

Also, I am not going to support any TA that has something similar to Spirit’s contract with regard to future negotiations and pbs (ie: the company and the union agree to meet over the next several months and negotiate the details of pbs including vendor, parameters, etc). If I can’t see details up front there’s no way I’ll support any agreement.

Wheelswatch

Common sense dictates that Indigo is pushing hard for PBS as we speak. No leaking of inside information is necessary.

And if it gets out of the hands of the MEC it will likely pass and the company knows this.

Our only hope is stopping this at the negotiating table.

DrJekyll MrHyde

Somewhere, in a room of the NMB’s D.C. Headquarters, there is a company lackey with a signed non-disclosure agreement from our union. That company mouthpiece is pumping smoke up the buttts of our NC and MEC members. They say it’s privileged information but instead it’s a just a tall tale of an imminent merger, or sale of the company, etc. Something that gives us an ultimatum to “take this deal now or see what happens to you otherwise.” It’s a old trick, a long period of silence followed by a “Last, Best, and Final” offer. I’ve seen the unions fall for it before; they’re frankly grown tired and too afraid to see what’s on the other side so they take the bait.

If that’s truly happening here, I can only hope they don’t take the bait.

SFA320

Yeah if PBS is going to be apart of the deal, industry average rates, insurance, LTD, and retirement better be included for me to even make me consider it. They will have to do a lot better than Spirit. I hope it’s not agreed upon, I really hope it’s not.

Wheelswatch

This is where I think the company has gratuitously overplayed their hand for too long. This type of deceptive strategy might have worked even a 6 months ago, but we're wise to their ways now, dug in, and taking it personally, because it's become personal. I don't think the MEC/NC falls for it honestly. Alpa lawyer(s) will, but our guys won't!

PulledBreaker

Yep. It's why negotiations are now late into the second week.

ReserveCA

Don't even start on the peer group BS.....

My "peer group" is the 186 - 230 seat legacy ships...