Frontier Negotiations Discussion
10-26-2018, 11:22 AM
#2551
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I've been told their watching for this so I would guess you would get a call from the chief pilots office? FMLA is always a good option. Doctors notes are good (even though were NOT contractually required to provide them). Think of them as an ace in the hole. Familiarizing yourself with the contractual provisions that allow you use sick leave is helpful. (sec 15). (15.A.1.B. is pretty good language, Ill be looking at it closely to make sure it doesn't change in any potential TA). If your sick please don't come to work. One more thing, if/when you do call in sick its, paraphrasing ," mark me in sick for sequence xxxx ". No further explanation required. Don't get yourself into trouble trying to explain why your calling in sick on a recorded phone line.
10-26-2018, 11:31 AM
#2552
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Up to You. Either way is fine. My personal rule on that was normally 1 at a time, sometimes 2 or 3, did 4 once I believe? can't remember? Anything more than that would be if I had that ace in hole I described. Especially right now.
10-26-2018, 11:43 AM
#2553
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I've been told their watching for this so I would guess you would get a call from the chief pilots office? FMLA is always a good option. Doctors notes are good (even though were NOT contractually required to provide them). Think of them as an ace in the hole. Familiarizing yourself with the contractual provisions that allow you use sick leave is helpful. (sec 15). (15.A.1.B. is pretty good language, Ill be looking at it closely to make sure it doesn't change in any potential TA). If your sick please don't come to work. One more thing, if/when you do call in sick its, paraphrasing ," mark me in sick for sequence xxxx ". No further explanation required. Don't get yourself into trouble trying to explain why your calling in sick on a recorded phone line.
10-26-2018, 11:52 AM
#2554
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10-26-2018, 12:03 PM
#2555
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Completely agree. In the past we have had pilots hang themselves on the phone ("I cut my thumb off" or "my wife has a doctors app"). The contract gives several reasons you can use sick time. Familty members being sick is just one. It also gives reasons you CANT use sick time (doctors app.). Better to be familiar when making the phone call and keep it short (DONT offer an explination).
10-26-2018, 01:57 PM
#2556
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FMLA is really the best deal in applying sick time. Its a bit of a pain in the arse initially with the paperwork but after that theres several benefits. It can't be questioned by the company. Period. You can use vac or sick to cover missed duty periods. Elect not to be paid for duty periods (think of the low credit duty periods you have). Why would you apply sick or vacation to a duty period of less than 3 hrs? Lets just take an example of applying FMLA to 2 four day trips. First I'm going to peal 1 vacation day off of each block of 7 (I have 4) and apply them to the 4 highest credit duty periods I have dropped (leaves me 4 blocks of 6). Then I'm going to look at what duty periods are left and if any of them are less than 3 hrs I'm forgoing the pay. Then I'm applying sick to whatever is left over 3 hrs (lets say 2). So in the end I've dropped 40-48 credit with 2 sick days and left myself with my vacation basically intact to drop 2 four day trips each time I apply it. Also, if i believe that I'm not even going to get a vac (I'm jr and the company doesn't stop taking it) I can use it this way. I know its not ideal and I would rather actually have vac but at least I'm actually using it and its paying more than the company will be. Another option for someone. Ill do this till I'm down to 4 blocks of 5 day vac periods then just tap into a whole block. Your accruing sick the whole time and vac for the time your electing to be paid for. One word of caution when doing this. If you don't elect to be paid for an entire sequence make sure theres no trip rig as it will be considered pilot modified.
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10-26-2018, 02:05 PM
#2557
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Completely agree. In the past we have had pilots hang themselves on the phone ("I cut my thumb off" or "my wife has a doctors app"). The contract gives several reasons you can use sick time. Familty members being sick is just one. It also gives reasons you CANT use sick time (doctors app.). Better to be familiar when making the phone call and keep it short (DONT offer an explination).
10-26-2018, 03:13 PM
#2560
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