wt93205

Blah Blah Blah...

ReserveCA

Find me a state side job for 150k ..... I'll take the pay cut and vanish. ....

FlyingR6

With every passing month, there are more "new" guys coming in and outnumbering the "original" guys. Granted plenty are on probation, but their time is coming and a contract doesnt seem to be. Every new person I talk to will in no way take a sub standard contract. Period. Plus, I think you can count on every single former XJT person here, because we know what good actually looks like.

CantStayAway

I hope that you (and all of the other 1280ish Frontier pilots) don’t need $150k/year to pay your bills. It’s one thing to want it because it’s comfortable. It’s foolishness at any airline to set yourself up to need that to survive (unless you have wealth/income outside of the fickle airline industry).

fcoolaiddrinker

Understood As a former XJT pilot myself. Some of those MEC/LEC and commmitee members I mentioned are part of the “new” group your describing. The other “original” Pilots, for the most part, were opposed to the pay cuts and know what good looks like as some gave up seniority numbers at legacies to stay and do thier part in negotiations. I would imagine thier looking to at least break even on thier decision. Also, the contract you were working on at xjt (2005 I believe? I know there were some modifications but the framework was 2005 when I was there) was negotiated and agreed to by Jim Nides and in part Bruce York so they understand what good looks like as well.

shreddykreuger

Year 2 at every other major airline.

ReserveCA

Don't want to cash in my 401k to cover year 1.....

ReserveCA

Anything less and I'd go back to building custom homes....for 200k+ per yr.....and a lot of stress

CantStayAway

Well it is good you have a fallback.

flensr

When I left the USAF I went from 120k/year to 80k a year (pension plus airline salary), then switched to another airline after about a year so I'm going to get 2 "first-year" W-2s in a row, back to back. It required some sacrifices short term (2-3 years) in order to ensure my family is set up for the rest of our lives. Cut your lifestyle and make a move that will benefit you and your family long-term.

Sell anything you have a payment on. Sell the dog. Get on the Dave Ramsey plan and man up for your family. Some sacrifices are worth it. My airline W-2 last year was around $27k but within 3 years I'll be making well over $150k doing the airline gig without breaking a sweat, even though I gave up $100k/year as a second year FO and a quick CA upgrade to start over again as a $69k first year FO. Some sacrifices are worth it. We moved from a 3200 sq ft house to a 2200 sq ft house, our cars are 7 and 10 yrs old and paid for, and we shop at the thrift store. But I'm working in what will probably be my last job ever and in a couple of years I'll be far past your $150k/year. Make the sacrifice now, join a company that you WANT to stick with long term and that deserves your loyalty. Even if it takes a side-track back onto the industry standard and proven career ladder to get there.

My $.02. Since I did exactly that.

Back in 1990 I gave up $80k/year as a high school grad to join the USAF, didn't see that kind of money for another 18 years. When I left the USAF, I passed up nearly $300k/year as a contractor to become an airline pilot. Because I'm starting a second CAREER, playing the long game for my family. A couple of years renting a shack on the beach is a small price to pay compared to the good stuff that is ahead for me and my family. I squirreled away somewhere around $100k in addition to my retirement savings to ease the transition because I knew paychecks would be small for a few years. You can do it too, just tighten your belt for a bit because it's worth it to get away from toxic management.