Frontier Negotiations Discussion
06-03-2018, 02:23 AM
#1784
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 491
No reserve coverage to speak of
The Company is manufacturing the perfect storm. We need to be very careful of what we say on this and other social media outlets.
Objectively, we have VERY few captain reserves system wide. I know of 2 DEN reserve captains who were sent out on 2 day assignments earlier in the week. One ended up being extended into all 6 days of his RES availability. The other ended up doing 5 days on the road. These were legal assignments, but they show how tight F9 management is running the reserve coverage.
In the meantime, there was quite a bit of uncovered flying in the Denver opentime pot. I watched and they incentivized the crap out of everything to get it covered.
So the Company builds horribly inefficient trips leading to fewer days off, leading to less desire and mathmatically fewer days off in which to pick up open time... and then creates undesirable trips that flip flop from early morning to 2 leg redeye and then back to early morning... that never come back through a domicile so you have to deadhead or take the entire crappy 3 day... and then put us in crapola hotels... and then force us to deal with crappy outsourced workers with no skin in the game... and then deal with more and more deferred maintenance... all at 60% below average airbus compensation.
I waited THIRTY (30) minutes yesterday morning for a jet bridge driver at Denver for exactly ZERO additional compensation on the last leg of 5 days away from home. I'm not anxious to return to this circus.
Hmm. Wonder why we have uncovered flying?
I'm putting this post out there in hopes that when the Company eventually whines to the NMB that the pilot group is the cause of its problems, this post will provide the counter argument: Namely, that there are identifiable and non-pilot-induced reasons that the Company is struggling and will continue to struggle.
Objectively, we have VERY few captain reserves system wide. I know of 2 DEN reserve captains who were sent out on 2 day assignments earlier in the week. One ended up being extended into all 6 days of his RES availability. The other ended up doing 5 days on the road. These were legal assignments, but they show how tight F9 management is running the reserve coverage.
In the meantime, there was quite a bit of uncovered flying in the Denver opentime pot. I watched and they incentivized the crap out of everything to get it covered.
So the Company builds horribly inefficient trips leading to fewer days off, leading to less desire and mathmatically fewer days off in which to pick up open time... and then creates undesirable trips that flip flop from early morning to 2 leg redeye and then back to early morning... that never come back through a domicile so you have to deadhead or take the entire crappy 3 day... and then put us in crapola hotels... and then force us to deal with crappy outsourced workers with no skin in the game... and then deal with more and more deferred maintenance... all at 60% below average airbus compensation.
I waited THIRTY (30) minutes yesterday morning for a jet bridge driver at Denver for exactly ZERO additional compensation on the last leg of 5 days away from home. I'm not anxious to return to this circus.
Hmm. Wonder why we have uncovered flying?
I'm putting this post out there in hopes that when the Company eventually whines to the NMB that the pilot group is the cause of its problems, this post will provide the counter argument: Namely, that there are identifiable and non-pilot-induced reasons that the Company is struggling and will continue to struggle.
06-03-2018, 04:39 AM
#1785
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Underpaid, LCC
Posts: 279
The Company is manufacturing the perfect storm. We need to be very careful of what we say on this and other social media outlets.
Objectively, we have VERY few captain reserves system wide. I know of 2 DEN reserve captains who were sent out on 2 day assignments earlier in the week. One ended up being extended into all 6 days of his RES availability. The other ended up doing 5 days on the road. These were legal assignments, but they show how tight F9 management is running the reserve coverage.
In the meantime, there was quite a bit of uncovered flying in the Denver opentime pot. I watched and they incentivized the crap out of everything to get it covered.
So the Company builds horribly inefficient trips leading to fewer days off, leading to less desire and mathmatically fewer days off in which to pick up open time... and then creates undesirable trips that flip flop from early morning to 2 leg redeye and then back to early morning... that never come back through a domicile so you have to deadhead or take the entire crappy 3 day... and then put us in crapola hotels... and then force us to deal with crappy outsourced workers with no skin in the game... and then deal with more and more deferred maintenance... all at 60% below average airbus compensation.
I waited THIRTY (30) minutes yesterday morning for a jet bridge driver at Denver for exactly ZERO additional compensation on the last leg of 5 days away from home. I'm not anxious to return to this circus.
Hmm. Wonder why we have uncovered flying?
I'm putting this post out there in hopes that when the Company eventually whines to the NMB that the pilot group is the cause of its problems, this post will provide the counter argument: Namely, that there are identifiable and non-pilot-induced reasons that the Company is struggling and will continue to struggle.
Objectively, we have VERY few captain reserves system wide. I know of 2 DEN reserve captains who were sent out on 2 day assignments earlier in the week. One ended up being extended into all 6 days of his RES availability. The other ended up doing 5 days on the road. These were legal assignments, but they show how tight F9 management is running the reserve coverage.
In the meantime, there was quite a bit of uncovered flying in the Denver opentime pot. I watched and they incentivized the crap out of everything to get it covered.
So the Company builds horribly inefficient trips leading to fewer days off, leading to less desire and mathmatically fewer days off in which to pick up open time... and then creates undesirable trips that flip flop from early morning to 2 leg redeye and then back to early morning... that never come back through a domicile so you have to deadhead or take the entire crappy 3 day... and then put us in crapola hotels... and then force us to deal with crappy outsourced workers with no skin in the game... and then deal with more and more deferred maintenance... all at 60% below average airbus compensation.
I waited THIRTY (30) minutes yesterday morning for a jet bridge driver at Denver for exactly ZERO additional compensation on the last leg of 5 days away from home. I'm not anxious to return to this circus.
Hmm. Wonder why we have uncovered flying?
I'm putting this post out there in hopes that when the Company eventually whines to the NMB that the pilot group is the cause of its problems, this post will provide the counter argument: Namely, that there are identifiable and non-pilot-induced reasons that the Company is struggling and will continue to struggle.
If the company wants to exhaust reserve coverage for all the garbage trips just to be able to try to point the finger at the pilot group to the NMB.
Maybe talking screenshots of the Opentime pot to send the Union if they need it in an upcoming legal fight would be a way to say well we could see what the company was trying to do to make the NMB feel it was the pilot group and we can say AGAIN the company continues to bargain in bad faith. Including trying to get legal ramifications against us when it was just a con job by Frontier.
100% Ready
06-03-2018, 08:13 AM
#1786
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 550
I would love to help, but my days off are precious and belong to my family. We work under a contract that allows me to drop down to a company agreed upon monthly credit value and subsequently turn off my phone on those days off. That is what I'll continue to do until the next contract says differently.
Enjoy your summer, and FLY THE CONTRACT.
Enjoy your summer, and FLY THE CONTRACT.
06-03-2018, 09:12 AM
#1787
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
This is spot on. When the pot is full of garbage trips like 9hr 3 days, 5 hr 2 day trips and 3 hr day trips with a deadhead and a redeye. Those will typically just sit.
If the company wants to exhaust reserve coverage for all the garbage trips just to be able to try to point the finger at the pilot group to the NMB.
Maybe talking screenshots of the Opentime pot to send the Union if they need it in an upcoming legal fight would be a way to say well we could see what the company was trying to do to make the NMB feel it was the pilot group and we can say AGAIN the company continues to bargain in bad faith. Including trying to get legal ramifications against us when it was just a con job by Frontier.
100% Ready
If the company wants to exhaust reserve coverage for all the garbage trips just to be able to try to point the finger at the pilot group to the NMB.
Maybe talking screenshots of the Opentime pot to send the Union if they need it in an upcoming legal fight would be a way to say well we could see what the company was trying to do to make the NMB feel it was the pilot group and we can say AGAIN the company continues to bargain in bad faith. Including trying to get legal ramifications against us when it was just a con job by Frontier.
100% Ready
It's clear the company gets to / is going to continue to operate against us with total impunity. The NC has a nice starter pile of -agreed to-manure shoveled up. No news from the union about anything. Are they hiding because the "take it in the ask" is so bad. Have they already anchored us to where we're going end up? Duration, LTD, per diem? So that's our pattern. Got it. Are they conducting top-secret, high-level meetings with "national" on how best to choke this contract past us and the company?
Thanks guys, I feel better now.
06-03-2018, 10:47 AM
#1788
Slave
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: Hot tub
Posts: 1,411
I would love to help, but my days off are precious and belong to my family. We work under a contract that allows me to drop down to a company agreed upon monthly credit value and subsequently turn off my phone on those days off. That is what I'll continue to do until the next contract says differently.
Enjoy your summer, and FLY THE CONTRACT.
Enjoy your summer, and FLY THE CONTRACT.
My phone goes off 15 min after block in and back on at show time.
Now back to spoiling the grandkids 😊
06-03-2018, 01:12 PM
#1789
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,490
06-03-2018, 05:03 PM
#1790
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 224
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