NWSteeringArmer

Great Lakes had like 25 pilots... that well dried up in one class

NWSteeringArmer

I wouldn’t get too upset about this... if you read the letter, it was 6 pages that basically b!tched about 3 days of mediation... perhaps alpa did do some shifting around in April but the letter from the union covered everything the company had done in the last 2+ years in a very concise and logical matter... I’m not saying our release is guaranteed, but if someone who knew nothing about this situation read both letters, they would most certainly agree with our stance...

There is a problem here with soft credit but it’s almost entirely company induced... if they staffed each base properly, there wouldn’t be Denver guys commuting to Orlando to pick up heavily incentivized trips... the company makes the pairings... our ability to drop buku credit with a week of vacation isn’t on us...

Staff the airline and pay people properly and you won’t have guys banking 250 hrs of credit monthly... I’m not holding my breath, but the letter from the company was incoherent and obviously a last gasp, desperate plea to continue paying us like regional pilots... hopefully the NMB sees that too

I like BIG Bus

Hey NWSteering That’s pretty funny, I was just doing that. And you are exactly right, there is a distinct difference in the presentation and tone. The ALPA letter is organized, well thought out, and conveys an overview of the entire span of the negotiation period. It has a tone of being calm collected and steadfastly on point that the company is tactically stalling and wants the contract to be discounted below the industry norm. Noting that only recently has the company done anything to appear to be bargaining in good faith. Mainly wasting everyones time till they were nudged into having to do “something”.

In stark contrast, the company letter is completely defensive in nature. It immediately resorts to implying that ALPA is asserting the board failed, which is laughable seeing how accommodating the board has been in trying to get the company to be reasonable. It then jumps about irradically defending the company’s offers by using things that have only happened just recently and trying to discredit the NC as being deceptive and dishonest. The letter is a joke, and completely transparent. It looks as if it were written by Nathan Thurm himself. It comes accross as a whiny brat that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and they’re trying to blame it on everyone else.

I’m sure that the NMB members involved know what to do, and that putting a deadline on the company is the only way they will bargain in good faith. Heck, even when pressed to make a final offer, they revealed their true colors by being disingenuous even then to try and stall. Biff bear showed how scared he is to have us get released, so put his back up against a wall and let’s see how serious he is about getting a deal done.

Mugatu

Remember from previous NC correspondence the process the NMB has to go through internally, ie, they have to confer with DOT, etc. before they can proffer. I expect 3-4 weeks at the earliest.

ReserveCA

Waiting to see JB’s package?

303flyboy

Gross Bro. Gross.

cloudwarrior

Agree 100%.
Any idea what the average times were before the proffer?
I wish they did it today; but it will be before/during Summer.
Keep holding th line, the Ends in sight.

ColdWhiskey

The company is b1tching and moaning that we want to be paid as well as Spirit. Forget Spirit. I want to get paid industry average or better what an Airbus operator is receiving in the current market.

Our peer group is not just Spirit. It is also Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Hawaiian, Delta, United, and American.

Don't forget, there was a time when Frontier was one of the highest paid Airbus operators.

Our management receives Southwest style compensation, but thinks you and I should work at a significant discount compared to our peers.

Don't let them lower your expectations.

303flyboy

+1 ...............

NWSteeringArmer

My expectations aren’t lowered... they’re at an all time high... I expect what’s presented to me to be in line with JetBlue and Alaska... if not, my vote will be to send everyone back to the negotiating table