Mugatu

If ALPA requests proffer after this session, you know the NMB would’ve already given the nod (in their informal meetings) and the end is near. Give it 2-4 weeks for NMB to run it up at DOT and boom, 30 day cooling off period.

Mugatu

They have you, the company, by the short hairs.

CantStayAway

This may be true, but not necessarily. If the NMB has given zero hint of a willingness to proffer, ALPA may ask for it knowing the answer will be no. This could be a way to get the pilot group fired up and take some of the heat off ALPA as negotiations drag on.

I read the latest email the same way TherapySession did. We’re going to ask but our asking will only force the NMB to make a decision (not necessarily one we want them to make).

PulledBreaker

Our board member, and 2 mediators were present during the entire previous session. Typically the board member will observe for a day or a partial day. Rarely do they sit through 3 days of talks. The NMB wants this done, and ALPA knows it.

Why else would they request that both parties show up with the people needed to make a decision? If BB doesn't show up, and our entire union leadership is there, that's a huge win for us.

PowerMan

It’s not likely that ALPA would take the one shot at a proffer without some confidence that the NMB responds favorably. I haven’t seen any heat on ALPA and getting the pilots fired up isn’t constructive. Our vote to strike was overwhelming, our turn outs to picket events are respectable, and everyone I speak to has confidence in our current negotiating team.

We all are weary of this and it is frustrating to see the negotiations exploited by management. There is nothing a line pilot can do to speed it up or make it more fair. Our only impact is how we vote when a TA is presented. I won’t let the delay (which has already worked in managements favor while negatively impacting the lives of my family, friends, and me) and the prospect of more delays, influence my vote.

The TA will be fair, including some recourse for these stall tactics, or I will vote no. They’ll never get a yes from me by playing these games at our expense and then using the threat of more delays in the hopes that they’ve “broken” us.

Mugatu

ALPA wouldn’t ask if they didn’t already know the answer.

Aero1900

I'm surprised at the level of confidence that we are nearing the end. The company made real progress at the last session. I'm sue they will make at least a little more progress at the next session. If progress is being made, I really don't see the NMB doing much.

I hope I'm wrong

NWSteeringArmer

What progress?! They threw pbs in there... we’re still not close on pay, retirement, work rules or scope... they increased LTD but the actual benefit is still as clear as mud... I don’t think we’re as close as others may think but I also don’t think there was actual progress... we’ll get a TA on day 29 at 23:59:59...

doz4dllrs

I don’t think there is much improvement on Ltd. I bet we get own occupation til 65 but that’s it. Our current benefit is not taxed and the new one will be so it comes out to a minimal improvement. Definitely not industry standard.

PowerMan

I didn’t read the last update as any real progress either.

One step forward, two steps back...