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03-20-2018, 09:44 AM

#1261

NWSteeringArmer

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Neither side, at least in our case, would ever accept binding arbitration... that’s how virgin/alaska got ok pay rates and got screwed on scope...

03-20-2018, 10:23 AM

#1262

Wheelswatch

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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer

Neither side, at least in our case, would ever accept binding arbitration... that’s how virgin/alaska got ok pay rates and got screwed on scope...

Coincidentally I was just looking at Alaska's rates. Agreed they are "ok" but your post seems to suggest we will do better. Do you think that? I hope you're right, but based on the union communication I'm getting, we will not.

Also: this seems arbitrary, but does apply to me. AS vs NK rates

CA 12 yr: 251 vs 242* (AS $11 or 3.7 % more than NK)

FO 5 yr: 147 vs 128* (AS $19 or 14.8% more than NK)

I hope the F9 FO's at this longevity don't see this kind of disparity too.

*2% 321 override added.

03-20-2018, 11:33 AM

#1263

Milksheikh

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Originally Posted by CantStayAway

Correct on all accounts. The NMB knows that a proffer will result in either a TA or a strike at the end of the 30 days.

Thank you for educating yourself, seriously. It would be nice if more pilots would do that.

One question- should the mediator offer binding arbitration, are the terms and conditions disclosed to the union and company beforehand? ie Accept this contract with these pay rates/work rules/terms or go to the 30 day release.

Or is it: you will both blindly accept what I have to offer and too bad if either one of you or both don't like it.

03-20-2018, 11:35 AM

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TransWorld

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Originally Posted by Wheelswatch

Coincidentally I was just looking at Alaska's rates. Agreed they are "ok" but your post seems to suggest we will do better. Do you think that? I hope you're right, but based on the union communication I'm getting, we will not.

Also: this seems arbitrary, but does apply to me. AS vs NK rates

CA 12 yr: 251 vs 242* (AS $11 or 3.7 % more than NK)
*** DL vs NK rate: 276 vs 242 (DL $34 or 14.0% more than NK) ***

FO 5 yr: 147 vs 128* (AS $19 or 14.8% more than NK)
*** DL vs NK rate: 162 vs 128 (DL $34 or 26.6% more than NK) ***

I hope the F9 FO's at this longevity don't see this kind of disparity too.

*2% 321 override added.

*** Added comparison with Delta’s industry leading rates. ***

03-20-2018, 11:39 AM

#1265

Wheelswatch

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

*** Added comparison with Delta’s industry leading rates. ***

Thanking you for the donkey kick brother

03-20-2018, 11:49 AM

#1266

TransWorld

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Originally Posted by Wheelswatch

Thanking you for the donkey kick brother

If you don’t look up at the scoreboard when you come back after halftime, how would you know how much you need to score?

Use the bad situation as leverage in negotiations.

03-20-2018, 12:43 PM

#1267

Aero1900

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Originally Posted by Milksheikh

I believe both parties blindly accept whatever they come up with. Which is why contracts so rarely end up in arbitration. Both sides are scared to accept.

03-20-2018, 12:58 PM

#1268

Powderkeg

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

If you don’t look up at the scoreboard when you come back after halftime, how would you know how much you need to score?

Use the bad situation as leverage in negotiations.

Please, sweet baby Jesus, don’t tell me it’s only halftime...