Frontier Negotiations Discussion
03-12-2018, 12:50 PM
#1191
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,348
Totally agree Union Guy was absolutely wrong in picking up premium while missing the picket, I was just talking how we got sued by company for talking about collectively not picking up open time (both straight and premium) on APC. Do what you need/want to do, but be carefull how you talk about it...
03-13-2018, 04:40 PM
#1192
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: A320 Left seat
Posts: 2,594
No offense, but sending a contract to vote just so it can be voted down is a colossal waste of everyone’s time. Our MEC polled the pilot group years ago when this process started. There a frequent PUB events and union town hall/lunch meetings. I don’t doubt that the union leaders have our best interests in mind and are aware of the collective pilot group’s priorities for a contract. If you do, contact a rep and voice your concerns.
03-13-2018, 04:57 PM
#1193
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Position: Happy
Posts: 683
I think most pilots don't even want an AIP anymore. Everyone just wants to get released. Company made it clear how they feel about the pilots. Nothing will make the company come to the table quicker than loosing money.
03-13-2018, 05:41 PM
#1194
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 617
These days, when a TA is agreed to by the negotiating committee, the company makes the union sign an agreement to promote the TA. The best place to avoid a substandard TA is at the NC level. Once a TA or AIP is reached, you’re pretty much locked in. Unless the pilot group revolts, votes no, and then cleans house to some extent. And then you start all over again.
03-13-2018, 06:35 PM
#1195
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
03-13-2018, 09:48 PM
#1196
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: doggy style
Posts: 1,006
Bullshlt. Bullshlt bullshlt bullshlt. Do you like making up bullshlt? Because your post is bullshlt. The union is NEVER forced to "promote the TA." Seriously, screw you, and your bullshlt.
03-13-2018, 10:04 PM
#1197
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 491
I’ve experienced instances where the Union does its best to sell a contract to the pilot group, but I’ve never seen nor have I heard of a written agreement that the Union will do this. And yes, Virginia, I’ve been in a position where I would have seen it first hand.
03-13-2018, 10:08 PM
#1198
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,872
These days, when a TA is agreed to by the negotiating committee, the company makes the union sign an agreement to promote the TA. The best place to avoid a substandard TA is at the NC level. Once a TA or AIP is reached, you’re pretty much locked in. Unless the pilot group revolts, votes no, and then cleans house to some extent. And then you start all over again.
03-14-2018, 12:13 PM
#1200
Gets Everyday Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Fully Retired
Posts: 7,000
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