Frontier Negotiations Discussion
04-17-2017, 05:25 PM
#111
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I was at Spirit when we struck, so I would say my experience with the process is relevant to the discussion. We were in negotiations for around 4 years before we were released to self help last time around. The average time in mediated sessions before reaching an agreement is roughly 22-23 months. We've been in mediated talks for over 7 months this time around with no substantive progress. Our definition of progress and the NMBs opinion of progress is not one in the same. I'm just saying that the whole process unfortunately takes way more time than you'd like to think.
I don't understand your logic. The relevant argument is over The length of time mediated sessions can stall before reaching an impasse. The time Spirit spent in negotiations prior to mediation is irrelevant and if it were it would make our case look even more favorable, because F9 pilots spent 5 months in negotiations before petitioning to the NMB, then we began mediation by our 7th month. Correct me if I'm off by a month.
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04-17-2017, 07:29 PM
#114
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Does anyone know who has to give the go ahead for us to actually be released to self help? Is it just our mediator? Is it a vote of the 3 heads of the NMB? Does it have to be unanimous support from the heads of the NMB?
Has Trump appointed any new members?
Has Trump appointed any new members?
04-17-2017, 08:29 PM
#116
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From the NMB's "strategic plan" published under the documents on nmb.gov
"Under the RLA, outstanding case management calls for close monitoring of cases and regular reviews of case strategy. Although statistical analysis of past cases indicates that, on average, cases are concluded within eighteen months and with approximately 50 days of work “at the table,” these time frames cannot be used as hard standards as every case is different based on among other things the specific parties and representatives at the table, the external and internal economic circumstances, and other variables."
I'm curious how many days "at the table" our negotiating team has spent under mediation.
"Under the RLA, outstanding case management calls for close monitoring of cases and regular reviews of case strategy. Although statistical analysis of past cases indicates that, on average, cases are concluded within eighteen months and with approximately 50 days of work “at the table,” these time frames cannot be used as hard standards as every case is different based on among other things the specific parties and representatives at the table, the external and internal economic circumstances, and other variables."
I'm curious how many days "at the table" our negotiating team has spent under mediation.
04-17-2017, 08:31 PM
#117
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Majority vote by three members of the NMB. I do not believe Trump has appointed any members of the NMB.
04-18-2017, 12:32 PM
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04-18-2017, 01:57 PM
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Also keep in mind - The stalling of growth, vacancy bids cancelled and upgrades stopped are nothing more than management creating a bargaining position. The growth of the airline is going to be a bargaining chip. All aircraft deliveries and future growth are going to be put on the shoulders of the pilot group accepting the status quo.
There is no merger. There is no buyout and there is most likely not going to be an IPO. Do not fall for it. If the airline stays "as is" it will fail. If you aren't growing - you are dying. These venture capitalist are in the business to grow. Future aircraft deliveries will come whether the pilots fly them for current rates or United/Delta rates.
There is no merger. There is no buyout and there is most likely not going to be an IPO. Do not fall for it. If the airline stays "as is" it will fail. If you aren't growing - you are dying. These venture capitalist are in the business to grow. Future aircraft deliveries will come whether the pilots fly them for current rates or United/Delta rates.
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