Hawker 850xp Operating Costs
09-19-2009, 07:04 PM
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Hawker 850xp Operating Costs
Anyone out there who flies the Hawker 850XP shed some light on a debate? Are they maintenance hogs, fuel flow/hr, approx hourly cost? Those are the questions at stake? Thanks in advance!
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09-20-2009, 06:34 AM
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09-22-2009, 06:56 PM
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Having flown Hawkers, They're good machine with great reliability. However the economics have stayed the same will others have advanced. I would take a look at the G150. Slightly smaller cabin, but faster by about 30 kts, and use less fuel by about 500 to 1000 lbs routinely. On long haul you can beat the Hawker by about an hour.
09-23-2009, 03:38 AM
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I'm curious if an 800XP with API winglets would outperform an 850XP with the "lite winglets" on them.
You could probably buy a 2002-2004 800XP w/ PL21, redo the paint/interior and install API winglets on it for somewhere around $7M.
You could probably buy a 2002-2004 800XP w/ PL21, redo the paint/interior and install API winglets on it for somewhere around $7M.
09-23-2009, 02:30 PM
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-Great machine, not a "maintenance hog" at all, no way, no how. Got about 1700 hrs in the Hawk, very reliable bird. The Hawker is/was built to last. As far a Medium corporate bizjets go, that one gets my vote over any Cessna or the G150...
-operating costs, no idead, sorry
-the only problems I got with the Hawker, no baggage capacity and can't do East coast to West coast non-stop... New york- Southern Cal is probably the most important market, I wish it could do TEB/HPN to VNY/LAX non-stop with a decent headwind, but can't do it. That's where it falls short...... CEOs and Celebs don't like stopping in Kansas for fuel
-operating costs, no idead, sorry
-the only problems I got with the Hawker, no baggage capacity and can't do East coast to West coast non-stop... New york- Southern Cal is probably the most important market, I wish it could do TEB/HPN to VNY/LAX non-stop with a decent headwind, but can't do it. That's where it falls short...... CEOs and Celebs don't like stopping in Kansas for fuel
09-23-2009, 05:51 PM
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That said, every airframe has its pros and cons for a given mission and the G150 has a lot going for it...principally that it flies higher, faster, & further using less fuel and runway than even the 900XP.
As an example, the G150 could depart HPN at 10pm EDT tonight and land @ VNY 5+23 later after burning 7,281lb @ FL430. The 900XP over the same trip would take 5+36 and burn 8,573lb @ FL400.
09-24-2009, 03:19 AM
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3+ years in the Hawka never did East-West non-stop, did IAD-LAS once, that was about 5.3
west to east, no problems there
09-24-2009, 09:28 AM
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-Great machine, not a "maintenance hog" at all, no way, no how. Got about 1700 hrs in the Hawk, very reliable bird. The Hawker is/was built to last. As far a Medium corporate bizjets go, that one gets my vote over any Cessna or the G150...
-operating costs, no idead, sorry
-the only problems I got with the Hawker, no baggage capacity and can't do East coast to West coast non-stop... New york- Southern Cal is probably the most important market, I wish it could do TEB/HPN to VNY/LAX non-stop with a decent headwind, but can't do it. That's where it falls short...... CEOs and Celebs don't like stopping in Kansas for fuel
-operating costs, no idead, sorry
-the only problems I got with the Hawker, no baggage capacity and can't do East coast to West coast non-stop... New york- Southern Cal is probably the most important market, I wish it could do TEB/HPN to VNY/LAX non-stop with a decent headwind, but can't do it. That's where it falls short...... CEOs and Celebs don't like stopping in Kansas for fuel
09-24-2009, 09:37 AM
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Also LRC for the 800XP is around 400 TAS whereas the G150 is 440 - 460. The G150 will go to FL390 at gross and loves to fly at M.78 or greater.
I am a Hawker fan, but baggage is a sore spot for me. Also the antiquated TKS systems needs to go. Ice Boots on the G150 in my opinion are ok, but you don't have to go hunting for TKS fluid and they don't detract from performance.
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