rabruch

My question is in reguards to how you move from FO to Captn. If you are a FO for 2 yrs, when you upgrade do you get the captn pay for 3yrs with the Company or do you start at the bottom pay as year 1 in that pay grade. Mainly interested in CS, but NJ also.

Thanks,

Bob

crewdawg

Not sure about CS but NJ has been discussed on here before. If I remember correctly, at NJ you only go back to year one when you upgrade into the class IV (DA-2000EX)/V (BBJ) aircraft. When you upgrade on any of the class I/II/III aircraft you use the payrate based on your years of service.

EXTW

At CS, it is years of service. If you upgrade in your second year, you go to second year Captain pay.

EXTW

rabruch

Thanks, I knew it was probably a simple question, but I'm trying to gauge my financial ability to leave a non flying job for the fractionals. What is the current time frame to upgrade to cptn at CS and NJ?

Thanks

Bob

crewdawg

There are tons of threads about upgrade times, just read and you should find out all you need to know.

jtf560

The longer it is before hired, the longer it will be to upgrade at NJA. Probably at least 4 years, probably longer for someone hired now. The company can only train so many people at a time- last year pushed it to the breaking point and I'm guessing they won't push more than 350-400 a year again after the major logjam that happened last year. The company keeps about 2/3rds of the pilots as CA so if you are number 3000 on the list, there will need to be about 4500 before you upgrade. There is some attrition- mostly junior guys who don't care for the domicile system, but you will move up- I've moved almost 100 places in 1.5 years with the company, but with the good vacation for those who've been here forever and the good money to go with it, the older guys just aren't retiring quickly. We've got guys over 70 who keep truckin' along. The pay scale for an FO is very good for year one, but it goes up very slowly and will really not cut it for year 4 or 5 when a new hire will finally upgrade. The next contract should add to the FO pay quite a bit, but it will be a long time before that happens. Good luck whatever you decide.