lakingsfan13

Thanks bud!

I worked with some of outstanding individuals at NJA and will miss working with them.

OhSnapAF

I still don't understand why nobody talks about the commuting aspect at NJA. You get thrown around in the back of an airplane with a group D boarding pass more than you ever will at an airline. Between commuter clauses and CASS, your ability to commute to work is not all that painful. And you are still gone less than a 7 day tour even if you have to commute in the day before, and commute home the day after.

wankel7

I think the variable here comes down to where you want to live. Many of the allowed bases for NJ aren't exactly in commuter friendly locations if you were a 121 pilot.

Thankfully, NetJets seems to have agreements with some of the larger carriers that allow a higher priority of boarding and seat selection even without status. Although, the middle seat is always a chance with last minute bookings on full flights.

727C47

The onus is on the company to get us to work, and back home, oversold, bad wx, MX ? Not our concern, not our worry, it’s up to them to figure out. I commuted DTW -DFW for a bit, the opposite of joy, and most commuter clauses are “ get out of jail free “ true, but with a loss of pay for the trip. Cheers : )

OhSnapAF

The onus is on the company to get you to work so if it comes down to it, to save 12 dollars they will put you on a 3 leg transcon from an airport with direct flights.

Commuter clauses protect you and yea if you can’t make it there’s a pay hit but do we really need to further discuss the huge pay cut everyone takes by choosing NJA?

I totally get the idea of living somewhere not served by a major airline but that still means your on an RJ out of your podunk home airport to somewhere better served, for another leg or more, to where ever you’re going. Hell I live next to 3 major airports and NJA managed to make it as complicated and painful as possible. OAK based, but was often flown into SFO to save a few bucks on the ticket, but it added two hours more to my duty day. If I was commuting I could just pick and choose myself when and how I want to get home. 80% of the pilots in my base commute, and although they would rather live in base, none of them would pick NJA over commuting.

The “NJA doesn’t commute” argument is almost just as comical as the “NJA gets free healthcare” argument.

727C47

You know what o snap ? Why should you care why guys and girls like NJA ? Commuting as an issue isn’t ludicrous to a lot of people , for me personally I’ve been blessed to avoid it by and large , and it wouldn’t keep me from pursuing a job I wanted but for some it’s huge . Sorry you were so miserable at NJA , I’m glad you have found a better fit for you , sincerely. Cheers : )

wankel7

What is your definition of ..... commute .... as it would apply to a pilot?

jtf560

The vast majority of NetJets pilots work quite hard. The vast majority don't make anywhere near airline pay. Overall the airlines are going to pay more over a career. That said, I would be willing to bet that at least half the Global PICs make over 300K and while they work a lot of days to do it, those days are typically quite easy compared to almost any day in most of the other fleets. There was a Global SIC that made close to 250K last year before the extra years of service were added to the contact along with FDP pay. There will be SICs making over 300K before the end of this contract. Probably over half the Global SICs will be making over 200K every year starting this year. It takes about 13 years of seniority to get an SIC slot in this fleet.

300K is probably happening now for some captains in the 650 and is now probably doable in the 350 also. That said, you are earning every penny of it in a 350. There are probably some pilots with SDP positions in the Phenom and Lattitude that will make north of 300K this year. 250K for a PIC in most fleets is very doable if they are willing to work. They are earning those dollars by working many more days than those at the airlines and by most likely working harder on those days than those at the airlines. However, it really shouldn't take 30 to 40 minutes every flight to clean and stock an airplane. If it takes that long it is trashed enough to get a cleaning service and slow your day way down. They can only work you as hard as you let them. Unfortunately many won't ever say no, won't ever call in fatigued, and will let the company walk all over them. They will complain about it to no end, but not do anything about it either. The job really isn't that hard if you are willing to say no when you need to and take advantage of "professional pace" and the fatigue language when necessary.

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flightbag

"I still don't understand why nobody talks about the commuting aspect at NJA." That's because nobody at NJA needs to commute. Hell, I even know a NJA pilot who lives near SJD and even that airport is an HBA. All his tours begin and end there.

Dustin77327

.....did you change your screen name??