Netjets vs Flexjets
05-02-2019, 06:11 PM
#11
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There have a been a few new hires at Flexjet that left for Netjets.
I know of another that is now going through the Netjets interview process now. He said he was lied to by the recruiter and is going to move on to Netjets.
I don’t know of any Netjets pilots who left and went to Flexjet.
Good luck
I know of another that is now going through the Netjets interview process now. He said he was lied to by the recruiter and is going to move on to Netjets.
I don’t know of any Netjets pilots who left and went to Flexjet.
Good luck
05-02-2019, 06:53 PM
#13
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Union vs. Non-Union. Huge cultural difference. "Merit" based upgrades vs. seniority based upgrades. If you're not an "A-Teamer" you'll also be a 12 year F/O at Flex. No recourse if fired vs. having an arbitration procedure. Having a Union Rep with you if called on the carpet for some reason. And as of now we have pretty good relations between the Union and Company.
Also NJA has great medical insurance for which we pay nothing and have no annual deductible to meet (in network). Office visits are $20 period. ER and/or Hospital admission is a flat $150. And this is for you and your family. And we have a nice Medical Leave program, 6 months at 60% pay then 30 months at 60% capped at $5K/month. And the Union has an optional Loss of Medical plan that kicks in after the 36 months and pays until normal SS retirement age. I think you can get up to around $8000/month coverage that's tax free.
And keep in mind Flex has resorted to cold calling and sending out postcards to pilots in an FAA database trying to get enough warm bodies. NetJets can still be a little bit picky and hasn't had to do that. Our minimums to get hired are also substantially higher than Flex's.
Also NJA has great medical insurance for which we pay nothing and have no annual deductible to meet (in network). Office visits are $20 period. ER and/or Hospital admission is a flat $150. And this is for you and your family. And we have a nice Medical Leave program, 6 months at 60% pay then 30 months at 60% capped at $5K/month. And the Union has an optional Loss of Medical plan that kicks in after the 36 months and pays until normal SS retirement age. I think you can get up to around $8000/month coverage that's tax free.
And keep in mind Flex has resorted to cold calling and sending out postcards to pilots in an FAA database trying to get enough warm bodies. NetJets can still be a little bit picky and hasn't had to do that. Our minimums to get hired are also substantially higher than Flex's.
05-03-2019, 05:52 AM
#14
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A year ago after retiring from the airlines and taking some time off, I started looking at the fractionals. Netjets and Flexjet were both great companies and I sent both my application. Pay and benefits were a bit better at Netjets but Flexjet had two big attractions, dynamic leadership and clear growth plans. The positives at Netjets were stability, deep pockets and a bit better pay and benefits. I did what I've always done and I went for growth and opportunity, the course of action that has always served me well.
Flexjet had about 600 pilots with plans to hire 170 in the next year while Netjets had about 2400 with plans to hire many more but percentage wise much less. Flexjet hired me quickly and I went there. While in training, Netjets called and I politely thanked then for the opportunity to interview at a great company, but that I was no longer available.
Now, less than a year after starting, I missed a phenom captain slot by only a few numbers and probably could get one on the next bid. The merit based promotions here are only in the Red Label program for the big equipment, hence for new hires it is strictly seniority, which currently is running about 1 year for upgrades if you are interested in flying the phenom. Many SICs on the larger aircraft are not bidding captain on the phenom and will have longer upgrades.
For potential new hires at both companies, keep in mind that both companies downsized heavily during the 2008-9 market crash and have only recently started hiring. When people talk of 12 year upgrades, bear in mind there are virtually no 3-11 year upgrades due to the many years that there was zero hiring. Both companies are great companies.
Flexjet had about 600 pilots with plans to hire 170 in the next year while Netjets had about 2400 with plans to hire many more but percentage wise much less. Flexjet hired me quickly and I went there. While in training, Netjets called and I politely thanked then for the opportunity to interview at a great company, but that I was no longer available.
Now, less than a year after starting, I missed a phenom captain slot by only a few numbers and probably could get one on the next bid. The merit based promotions here are only in the Red Label program for the big equipment, hence for new hires it is strictly seniority, which currently is running about 1 year for upgrades if you are interested in flying the phenom. Many SICs on the larger aircraft are not bidding captain on the phenom and will have longer upgrades.
For potential new hires at both companies, keep in mind that both companies downsized heavily during the 2008-9 market crash and have only recently started hiring. When people talk of 12 year upgrades, bear in mind there are virtually no 3-11 year upgrades due to the many years that there was zero hiring. Both companies are great companies.
05-03-2019, 06:24 AM
#15
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Dynamic leadership is code for a seniority disrespecting, B scale paying, stolen valor Frank Lorenzo starter kit.
There’s a lot of good people serving under that “dynamic leadership”, but it literally is all the worst parts of the aviation industry management parading around in an over tanned packaged.
There’s a lot of good people serving under that “dynamic leadership”, but it literally is all the worst parts of the aviation industry management parading around in an over tanned packaged.
05-03-2019, 10:56 PM
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Didn’t Netjets Furlough, but Flex Terminated?
A year ago after retiring from the airlines and taking some time off, I started looking at the fractionals. Netjets and Flexjet were both great companies and I sent both my application. Pay and benefits were a bit better at Netjets but Flexjet had two big attractions, dynamic leadership and clear growth plans. The positives at Netjets were stability, deep pockets and a bit better pay and benefits. I did what I've always done and I went for growth and opportunity, the course of action that has always served me well.
Flexjet had about 600 pilots with plans to hire 170 in the next year while Netjets had about 2400 with plans to hire many more but percentage wise much less. Flexjet hired me quickly and I went there. While in training, Netjets called and I politely thanked then for the opportunity to interview at a great company, but that I was no longer available.
Now, less than a year after starting, I missed a phenom captain slot by only a few numbers and probably could get one on the next bid. The merit based promotions here are only in the Red Label program for the big equipment, hence for new hires it is strictly seniority, which currently is running about 1 year for upgrades if you are interested in flying the phenom. Many SICs on the larger aircraft are not bidding captain on the phenom and will have longer upgrades.
For potential new hires at both companies, keep in mind that both companies downsized heavily during the 2008-9 market crash and have only recently started hiring. When people talk of 12 year upgrades, bear in mind there are virtually no 3-11 year upgrades due to the many years that there was zero hiring. Both companies are great companies.
Flexjet had about 600 pilots with plans to hire 170 in the next year while Netjets had about 2400 with plans to hire many more but percentage wise much less. Flexjet hired me quickly and I went there. While in training, Netjets called and I politely thanked then for the opportunity to interview at a great company, but that I was no longer available.
Now, less than a year after starting, I missed a phenom captain slot by only a few numbers and probably could get one on the next bid. The merit based promotions here are only in the Red Label program for the big equipment, hence for new hires it is strictly seniority, which currently is running about 1 year for upgrades if you are interested in flying the phenom. Many SICs on the larger aircraft are not bidding captain on the phenom and will have longer upgrades.
For potential new hires at both companies, keep in mind that both companies downsized heavily during the 2008-9 market crash and have only recently started hiring. When people talk of 12 year upgrades, bear in mind there are virtually no 3-11 year upgrades due to the many years that there was zero hiring. Both companies are great companies.
You can tell a lot about the character of a company by the way that they treat their employees when times get tough.Those pilots will now technically have to check YES to “Have you EVER been TERMINATED by an employer on online applications that can filter for accident, incident, violation, no college, etc.
A similar travesty happened at XOJET in the Great Recession (or Depression if you were furloughed or terminated somewhere), who actually handled things way worse than Flex...
05-04-2019, 04:33 AM
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t NetJets furlough their pilots in reverse seniority order, contractually, where Flex fired them, not necessarily by seniority, and made them re-apply for their jobs and start back at first year pay?!?! You can tell a lot about the character of a company by the way that they treat their employees when times get tough.
Those pilots will now technically have to check YES to “Have you EVER been TERMINATED by an employer on online applications that can filter for accident, incident, violation, no college, etc. A similar travesty happened at XOJET in the Great Recession (or Depression if you were furloughed or terminated somewhere), who actually handled things way worse than Flex...
You can tell a lot about the character of a company by the way that they treat their employees when times get tough.Those pilots will now technically have to check YES to “Have you EVER been TERMINATED by an employer on online applications that can filter for accident, incident, violation, no college, etc.
A similar travesty happened at XOJET in the Great Recession (or Depression if you were furloughed or terminated somewhere), who actually handled things way worse than Flex...
05-04-2019, 07:42 AM
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[QUOTE=B727DRVR;2813980]Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t NetJets furlough their pilots in reverse seniority order, contractually, where Flex fired them, not necessarily by seniority, and made them re-apply for their jobs and start back at first year pay?!?! You can tell a lot about the character of a company by the way that they treat their employees when times get tough.
You need to do your homework. For starters, after the great recession and the furloughing, two companies, Flexjet and Flight Options merged under the Flexjet name. Which company are you referring to when you say Flex fired them,
You can tell a lot about the character of a company by the way that they treat their employees when times get tough.You need to do your homework. For starters, after the great recession and the furloughing, two companies, Flexjet and Flight Options merged under the Flexjet name. Which company are you referring to when you say Flex fired them,
05-04-2019, 08:30 AM
#20
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Yes, Flexjet did terminate. I know, because I was one of them. It was in reverse seniority order, as it should be. I did receive a severance package. That was while Flexjet was owned by Bombardier. Under Ricci, who know how it would be handled. I would almost guarantee you it wouldn’t be in seniority order and no severance package. Everyone needs to realize that Flexjet exists in name only. Ricci just slapped the Flexjet name on the Flight Options package.
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