jtf560

To add to the point above- Global SIC positions are going 13+ years of seniority. There was one on the last bid that was around 20 years of seniority. Those numbers will come down eventually, but they have been screwing up. I'm not sure if there will be any more G450/550 bids for either seat before they are all sold away.

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TeamSasquatch

Thanks for all the replies. I do live in a current “base”. Having such a long upgrade does make it seem like people enjoy the QOL life there. Obviously that’s on a case by case basis. I’m chasing QOL more than pay and equipment. However, trying not to lock myself out of some serious money/QOL compromises that would keep the family happy too.

jtf560

Most who have stuck around either have PIC money golden handcuffs and don't want to start over again, or were mostly trapped with little PIC time and little hiring at good jobs for the majority of our time here. QOL isn't likely something to count on outside of the Global. 7 day tours aren't particularly easy in other fleets and still aren't good for families even when your time at work isn't kicking your behind. NJA beats many a job, but the majors beat NJA like a gong for QOL.

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GeeWizDriver

There are essentially three basing systems in use: The Crew Base, The HBA (Home Based Airport) and the old NJI bases. Some people have to drive right past an airport that another pilot is using and new hires do not have access to the HBA airports, only Crew Bases. HBA criteria affect overtime rules for late returns home and airline service changes cause HBAs to close and reopen willy-nilly.

The whole system is illogical, confusing, divisive, and in some cases unfair. Basically, a train wreck.

GeeWizDriver

Exactamundo.

symbian simian

Spirit..................................(average below 15 days off for hard lines)

OhSnapAF

The average isn't below 15. Reserve is 13 days off, R11 lines get 14. Other lines get 16.

All of those numbers above are working less days than anyone on the CC76.

RiverRnr5

Asking someone with fractional/corporate flying experience and coming from someone with no fractional/corporate flying experience; Would you rather fly a large cabin airframe as SIC for a stable, growing, solid company, gone for 2weeks at a time. Or something like NJA that appears to have its issues, but maybe more scheduling flexibility.

OhSnapAF

Depends on what you can stomach and be ok with. In many ways, NJA was the worst private jet flying I have done, as well as others. A few guys in my new hire class came from corporate/charter and all of us took big pay cuts because we thought NJA was rebounding and lots of promises of big growth and huge pay increases were on the horizon. That turned out to not be true so lots of us left. The healthcare is good, and in the private jet world, NJA is fairly stable although in some ways, more volatile. The work rules in regards to duty and not doing anything illegal are really good, and that was important to me.

It would not be fun from a happiness standpoint, but for stability, I would choose NJA over most. That being said, if you can get on a large cabin airplane with a good company that treats you well, and the QOL is good both at work and when you are off, I would take that any day of the week over NJA hands down. Problem is, that is hard to find. If this is a temporary decision and you want to come to a fractional for a few years, don't even think about NJA, go to XO. You will upgrade 12 years faster than NJA and accrue jet PIC if tour end goal is going airline or something like that.

I would love to see the data, but attrition at NJA from people hired post furlough is really high, like probably 40%. Guys are going in, spending a year or two, and bailing to the next company that calls. Even several friends that had no intention of leaving have left, so if you want to come dip your feet at NJA to see if its for you, you can absolutely leave to greener pastures if you want. Lots of us have left for major pax airlines, cargo, corporate etc. Even a few have left for regionals and seem to be happy with the decision so going to NJA doesn't pigeon hole you into staying there by any means. And if you love it, stay and enjoy your career!

MWilliams

OhSnapAF has a good summary of the newhire life at NetJets. I will add this, NetJets has many different sub-cultures depending on what fleet you are in. The large cabin flying goes senior for a reason and the phenom is junior for a reason. That being said, you don’t have a decision to make about NetJets until you have a job offer. Apply and find out if it would work for you and your family.