Turkey - FAA
09-22-2006, 01:12 PM
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Well being half turkey my self I feel I should give you the hoe-down, I mean Low-down. So let's do it, LeroYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JenkinSSSSSSSSSSSSs!
wait , I don't know anything about flying in turkey because i have never attempted it, however ATC is understandable shouldn't be a problem with communications. There's an Ab-Initio prog going on with THY if you have a degree by all means give them a call and you can be on your way to the right seat of a 37 or 320, not to mention they just started their own regional called IZAir.From what I know about ab initios , and how the airline takes 0 time pilots and turn them into 737 captains in three(exaggeration) months it usually means they are not getting alot of turnovers from the Air Force, and plus there aren't many organized flight schools in TK.
I think the old minimums for THY was a 4 yr bach degree and ten years in the air force.....Now realizing that they must expand to keep up with a growing market they will need more pilots quicker.
wait , I don't know anything about flying in turkey because i have never attempted it, however ATC is understandable shouldn't be a problem with communications. There's an Ab-Initio prog going on with THY if you have a degree by all means give them a call and you can be on your way to the right seat of a 37 or 320, not to mention they just started their own regional called IZAir.From what I know about ab initios , and how the airline takes 0 time pilots and turn them into 737 captains in three(exaggeration) months it usually means they are not getting alot of turnovers from the Air Force, and plus there aren't many organized flight schools in TK.
I think the old minimums for THY was a 4 yr bach degree and ten years in the air force.....Now realizing that they must expand to keep up with a growing market they will need more pilots quicker.
09-22-2006, 04:38 PM
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Hey,
Would you care to explain what you mean?
Does that mean THY is taking FAA license and are not requiring JAR/IESA licenses? Do you mean Turkey does not require you to hold a local/EU citizenship?
What are thier hourly minimums to apply? Do you need to be typed already?
The name you mentioned...... is that the local big boss? How do you get in touch with him? What does he do exactly?
Thanks!
-schone
Would you care to explain what you mean?
Does that mean THY is taking FAA license and are not requiring JAR/IESA licenses? Do you mean Turkey does not require you to hold a local/EU citizenship?
What are thier hourly minimums to apply? Do you need to be typed already?
The name you mentioned...... is that the local big boss? How do you get in touch with him? What does he do exactly?
Thanks!
-schone
09-23-2006, 12:27 AM
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09-23-2006, 06:43 AM
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My mistake Leroy Jenkins was a joke....
NO THY does require JAA liscencing and to work in Turkey you must have the required working visa. You can look at their government/citizenship sites for that.
I don't know their minimums speciffically but most of their pilots have at the least a 4 yr BA. Because most of them came from the air force. And to get into TK's air force you gotta have the grades they select you, not like here in the US. However when the airline became a public company - not held by the state, women, and TK flight school graduates were encouraged to apply.
NO THY does require JAA liscencing and to work in Turkey you must have the required working visa. You can look at their government/citizenship sites for that.
I don't know their minimums speciffically but most of their pilots have at the least a 4 yr BA. Because most of them came from the air force. And to get into TK's air force you gotta have the grades they select you, not like here in the US. However when the airline became a public company - not held by the state, women, and TK flight school graduates were encouraged to apply.
10-03-2006, 11:34 PM
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Being half-Turkey myself, I'll throw in my two YTL on this one. THY requires pilots to be Turkish citizens to fly for them. I haven't flown in Turkey, but I have a relative there who insists that this is the case. I don't think any other airlines in Turkey have this requirement.
10-04-2006, 12:06 PM
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THY requires Turkish citizenship, the other carriers do not require EU or Turkish citizenship. Turkey is not an EU country.
All carriers now require a JAA license as Turkey is a signatory to the JAA.
Kind of like putting the cart before the horse
So , its a bit confusing, but as an American you can work for any airline or company flt ops in Turkey except THY, but to do so you have to have a JAA license or the full Turkish CAA license. Hope that helps.
All carriers now require a JAA license as Turkey is a signatory to the JAA.
Kind of like putting the cart before the horse
So , its a bit confusing, but as an American you can work for any airline or company flt ops in Turkey except THY, but to do so you have to have a JAA license or the full Turkish CAA license. Hope that helps.
10-04-2006, 02:15 PM
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I am also half Turkish (looks like there are 3 of us on the forums) At least Turkish Airlines requires you to be a Turkish citizen and they DON'T accept FAA licenses from what my friend told me. All other Turkish Airlines (other than THY) that I know of don't need you to be a Turkish citizen (like Ekpt40 just said)
"What are thier hourly minimums to apply? Do you need to be typed already?"
I think for Turkish it was 1500 hours total with a few rules about how those hours have to be logged (certain hours of PIC etc.) I sent a few emails out to airlines, ane Pegasus seemed to be the easiest to get into with NO required hours, but the average for people who apply is 200-300 hours.
Hope that helps,
Derin
"What are thier hourly minimums to apply? Do you need to be typed already?"
I think for Turkish it was 1500 hours total with a few rules about how those hours have to be logged (certain hours of PIC etc.) I sent a few emails out to airlines, ane Pegasus seemed to be the easiest to get into with NO required hours, but the average for people who apply is 200-300 hours.
Hope that helps,
Derin
10-04-2006, 09:24 PM
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Guys,
I appreciate your answers, however i'm still not getting a clear picture.
1) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept American citizens? (that includes FLM (flyair), Onur air etc etc etc)
2) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept FAA certificates in lieu of JAA counterparts.
3) If JAA is waived on the basis of having a Turkish DGCA (CAA) license, how does one go about endorsing the FAA ones under the Turkish DGCA rule?
4) Where would one find the different airlines hour requirements? Thier websites are lacking that. Just go about explaining about each of the airlines' flight academies.
5) Do you need to speak, read and understand Turkish?
Thanks!
-schone
I appreciate your answers, however i'm still not getting a clear picture.
1) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept American citizens? (that includes FLM (flyair), Onur air etc etc etc)
2) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept FAA certificates in lieu of JAA counterparts.
3) If JAA is waived on the basis of having a Turkish DGCA (CAA) license, how does one go about endorsing the FAA ones under the Turkish DGCA rule?
4) Where would one find the different airlines hour requirements? Thier websites are lacking that. Just go about explaining about each of the airlines' flight academies.
5) Do you need to speak, read and understand Turkish?
Thanks!
-schone
10-04-2006, 10:20 PM
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Schone,
I've done a little bit of research on flying in Turkey, so I will TRY to answer your questions to the best of my ability. Finding information on the Turkish aviation scene is not quite as easy as it is in the US, so I'll share what little I've been able to learn so far. Some of this is second-hand information, but sometimes, that's all that's at hand.
1) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept American citizens? (that includes FLM (flyair), Onur air etc etc etc)
I believe this is mostly a matter of being able to obtain a visa and a work permit in Turkey. Usually, the employer helps you with this (or they should). I don't think getting these is usually a huge problem, just your typical Turkish bureaucratic magical mystery adventure. There are lots of foreigners living and working in Turkey.
2) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept FAA certificates in lieu of JAA counterparts.
All airlines in Turkey require you to have Turkish pilot certificates or licenses from a JAA country. I do believe there is a validation process to use a non-JAA certificate in Turkey to operate Turkish aircraft, but that's about all I know.
3) If JAA is waived on the basis of having a Turkish DGCA (CAA) license, how does one go about endorsing the FAA ones under the Turkish DGCA rule?
To get a Turkish DGCA license, you have to convert your foreign certificates. Turkey is a JAA country, so if you have JAA certificates, the conversion process is mostly a paperwork exercise. If you do not, you have to jump through many more hoops. I think the more experience you have, the easier the non-JAA conversion is.
4) Where would one find the different airlines hour requirements? Thier websites are lacking that. Just go about explaining about each of the airlines' flight academies.
Well, finding that out is not as easy as it is here in the US or Western Europe. I know of some very low-time people getting hired to fly some very large aircraft there within the last year. The second-best thing to do would be to get in touch with someone at the airline. The best thing to do would be to go to Turkey and knock on their door and go drink tea with someone at that airline. Unfortunately, I know nothing about flight schools in Turkey.
5) Do you need to speak, read and understand Turkish?
I would say no. There are lots of European pilots flying in Turkey who I am quite sure do not speak Turkish. But if you ever go to Turkey, you will pleasently suprise most Turks if you know a few words. Knowing a few words will go a long way.
So three half-Turks on this thread? I didn't think there were that many half-Turks flying in the US! I guess that's about the right number to slip through the cracks.
I've done a little bit of research on flying in Turkey, so I will TRY to answer your questions to the best of my ability. Finding information on the Turkish aviation scene is not quite as easy as it is in the US, so I'll share what little I've been able to learn so far. Some of this is second-hand information, but sometimes, that's all that's at hand.
1) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept American citizens? (that includes FLM (flyair), Onur air etc etc etc)
I believe this is mostly a matter of being able to obtain a visa and a work permit in Turkey. Usually, the employer helps you with this (or they should). I don't think getting these is usually a huge problem, just your typical Turkish bureaucratic magical mystery adventure. There are lots of foreigners living and working in Turkey.
2) With the exception of THY, Do the rest of them accept FAA certificates in lieu of JAA counterparts.
All airlines in Turkey require you to have Turkish pilot certificates or licenses from a JAA country. I do believe there is a validation process to use a non-JAA certificate in Turkey to operate Turkish aircraft, but that's about all I know.
3) If JAA is waived on the basis of having a Turkish DGCA (CAA) license, how does one go about endorsing the FAA ones under the Turkish DGCA rule?
To get a Turkish DGCA license, you have to convert your foreign certificates. Turkey is a JAA country, so if you have JAA certificates, the conversion process is mostly a paperwork exercise. If you do not, you have to jump through many more hoops. I think the more experience you have, the easier the non-JAA conversion is.
4) Where would one find the different airlines hour requirements? Thier websites are lacking that. Just go about explaining about each of the airlines' flight academies.
Well, finding that out is not as easy as it is here in the US or Western Europe. I know of some very low-time people getting hired to fly some very large aircraft there within the last year. The second-best thing to do would be to get in touch with someone at the airline. The best thing to do would be to go to Turkey and knock on their door and go drink tea with someone at that airline. Unfortunately, I know nothing about flight schools in Turkey.
5) Do you need to speak, read and understand Turkish?
I would say no. There are lots of European pilots flying in Turkey who I am quite sure do not speak Turkish. But if you ever go to Turkey, you will pleasently suprise most Turks if you know a few words. Knowing a few words will go a long way.
So three half-Turks on this thread? I didn't think there were that many half-Turks flying in the US! I guess that's about the right number to slip through the cracks.
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