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Old 06-01-2009, 02:14 PM
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Those guys rarely answer on HF...I wonder if AF tried? I guess we'll know when the Box is found.
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I agree. Technology is great, and it is even better if we know how to use it. Some days it is just better to know when to turn it off.
Experience and skill, let you know when it is time to pilot.
Yeah...the guys I fly with always disrupt my transmission to ATC after given a visual approach (clicking off the A/P and it's associated "chirp"). Seems they can only handle the aircraft when no specific course, airspeed, or altitude is required

But that is a subject for another thread...back to the original programming. I'm curious what exactly transpired between their onboard radar and the T-Storms...did they penetrate?
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by the turtle
Brazillian ATC Blows
This is a silly comment. ATC did not bring down Air France.
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:56 PM
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What is the primary evidence of turbulence for this flight? The AF press release on its web site says "The aircraft hit a zone of stormy weather with strong turbulence" -- this is being interpreted by the press that the aircraft actually experienced turbulence. But has AF cited primary evidence? Was there an actual radio comm from the crew indicating turbulence? I can't seem to find that. Can anyone find primary-source quotes/data that clearly state the plane hit turbulence?
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sjsanford
What is the primary evidence of turbulence for this flight? The AF press release on its web site says "The aircraft hit a zone of stormy weather with strong turbulence" -- this is being interpreted by the press that the aircraft actually experienced turbulence. But has AF cited primary evidence? Was there an actual radio comm from the crew indicating turbulence? I can't seem to find that. Can anyone find primary-source quotes/data that clearly state the plane hit turbulence?
From MSNBC.com -

Storm season
About four hours after taking off and flying through the night over the mid-Atlantic, the pilots of the Air France Airbus reported that they had encountered an area of intense cumulonimbus activity — dense clouds associated with thunderstorms that regularly batter the world's equatorial belt.

Granted, no actual source is mentioned, and if you take this at face value, the crew does not actually report "turbulence", just CB activity. This is as close as I could get.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:19 PM
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I think that the only thing that anyone can say with any degree of certainty is that 228 of our passengers, crew and friends perished last evening. Truly a sad day for all of us, regardless of who you work for or what you do in this business.

As for us here on APC, let's remember to remain professional. CNN is reading PPRuNe on the air, if you can believe that. I'd like to think that we're above the dribble over on some of the other sites.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 11Fan
I think that the only thing that anyone can say with any degree of certainty is that 228 of our passengers, crew and friends perished last evening. Truly a sad day for all of us, regardless of who you work for or what you do in this business.

As for us here on APC, let's remember to remain professional. CNN is reading PPRuNe on the air, if you can believe that. I'd like to think that we're above the dribble over on some of the other sites.
Hear hear. Seconded....
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkdrv
The GPWS did go off and the crew reacted accordingly. Unfortunately in the heat of battle they forgot the boards were still out and would not give the plane its best rate of climb.
Yeah, I knew that. The point I was getting at was it was installed, the aircraft was "controlled", having GPWS didn't matter.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EXTW
I love the way Brazil is already trying to distance themselves.


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Your comment is mean, unfair and offends me as a brazilian. Our Air Force and Navy are doing their best to help, it doesn't matter where it happened.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:31 PM
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How can it be that a mainline carrier found itself in this situation?? Surely this must have been a regional carrier. Those other guys have too much experience to fly so close to such potentialnally dangerous meteorologic cirucmstances.
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