ToiletDuck

Looks like it's in relatively good condition. What are the odds of it being located like that and not under half an aircraft?

Investigators find Air France black box - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

solinator

I found this:
Air France 447: the facts and what's behind them - Learmount

What do you guys think?

Sniper

Somewhat accurate, but the sequence of the paragraphs is a bit off, as well as some of the details. Still, much better than some of the comments in reply to his article.

There's a thread in the 'safety' section of this forum discussing this accident here that discusses the more technical aspects (might be hard to follow at times if you don't have airbus experience). That it happened to a foreign carrier rather than a US carrier is not all that relevant, other than it would be quite rare for the pilot actually at the controls in this accident to be at the controls of a US mainline aircraft, let alone a 330, which is a somewhat senior seat at Delta or US Airways, the only US airlines that operates them. Most 'major' airline pilots in the US (even the most junior) are much more experienced than this pilot was. Would it have made a difference? We'll never know.

orwellian

'Damn it, we're going to crash, it can't be true!': Terrified final words of pilot on doomed Air France jet | Mail Online

Can someone please explain this to me: Why does Dubois first say "get your wings horizontal"? Because his next words are: "No, no, no, don't climb". Shouldn't he be advising them to put the nose down and increase speed? And why does he go on to say: "Ten degrees pitch"? And why isn't he telling his co-pilots that they are stalling since they seemed to be completely confused and in panic?

Adlerdriver

I think the aircraft is in a bank and he is commanding the guy flying to roll wings level.
It sounds like the aircraft is in a deep stall, falling out of the sky while in a nose up attitude. The pilots are looking at a normal climbing attitude of ~15 degrees nose high while the aircraft is falling like a leaf. It's hard to say what they were thinking but it obviously wasn't the right thing.

orwellian

Thanks for your reply.

I've read that the passenger might not have noticed they were falling out of the sky. Is that true?

Also, isn't the captain giving his crew conflicting orders? Why are they pulling when he tells them to not go up? Does this indicate that the captain was panicking as well?

And what are you guys take on Air France Flight 296 and the alleged cover up of that crash? Do you think that a cover up could have taken place here as well?

TurboDVR42

Dude you sound like a media person. Your first two posts and you go here?

orwellian

Well I figured that most of you guys are pilots. So you should know what you are talking about. The thing is there are a lot of people on the Internet who have an opinion on something they know nothing about.

And no, I am not a media person. I am just an average guy who is trying to understand what caused the crash.

The Dominican

I agree with the concept held by several airlines that the whole "this airplane will not stall" mentality that they drill into people's brains during training is preventing pilots in this situation from lowering the nose and getting some flow over the wings because the airplane does it by itself anyway, right? It is not AB bashing, I think they are great airplanes but there is too much reliance in the systems and not enough training into basic things like just good'ol "pitch and power" flying when the computers are feeding each other caca!

zombiepilot

I also agree with the computer stuff. Once, a Mexicana flight was flying bound USA, I do not know what city but over the radio they were saying they couldn't disengage the A/P and they were holding on a waypoint and could not get the control of the airplane. A Northwest Airline airplane was flying nearby and they said over the radio, well Mexicana we have a Company Procedure to those cases, want to try it out? They of course said yes and got the Mexicana Co pilot standing up and start pulling certain circuit breakers out in certain order to recover airplane control.

So I've heard, anyone to make this statement 100% true?


In any case, if it was true I end up in the same conclusion as El Dominicano. AB's are awesome, very nice technology, good cockpit design(they spent so much money in investigation for design), and I rather fly in those as passenger for the extra inch of space that the 37 doesn't have.
Problem of the 37 space wise is that it is the same as the 707, 727.

But again, AB philosophy is: "use of computers to eliminate pilot mistake".
--- accident: Air France A320 in France while demonstration.

Boeing, give the pilot all the aural, warning and alarms to advise the pilot something is wrong and needs to take action!
--- accident: Turkish Airlines on Feb 09 in Amsterdam.



I don't think any philosophy is wrong, it's like apples and oranges.
2+2=4
but 2x2=4 as well.


Happy landings people!