Air France 447
06-05-2009, 02:11 PM
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06-05-2009, 02:11 PM
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"This is a plane that is conceived by engineers for engineers and not always for pilots," Jean-Pierre Albran, a veteran pilot of Boeing 747s, told Le Parisien newspaper.
"For example, on a 747 the throttle is pushed by hand. You feel it move in turbulence. On recent Airbuses, this throttle is fixed. You look at the dials. You don't feel anything."
Why would turbulence move the throttles? Does he mean the sidestick controller vs. yoke?
"For example, on a 747 the throttle is pushed by hand. You feel it move in turbulence. On recent Airbuses, this throttle is fixed. You look at the dials. You don't feel anything."
Why would turbulence move the throttles? Does he mean the sidestick controller vs. yoke?
06-05-2009, 03:30 PM
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06-05-2009, 03:48 PM
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Neither does boeing...TLs here too. Although you turn on the "autothrottles" to control the "thrust levers."
I suppose thats like adjusting the cockpit temperature knob to control the flight deck temp.
I suppose thats like adjusting the cockpit temperature knob to control the flight deck temp.
06-05-2009, 03:59 PM
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Sounds like the recovery people have either been told not to confirm anything was actual wreckage from the plane yet, in case it turns out not to be, or on closer investigation, ALL the bits they've found have turned up negative as part of the plane.
The way one guy in this article says something about being told to be prudent, I suspect it's the former.
Either the media is making something out of nothing, or what data they do have is very much influencing the theory that something happened with the Pitot Tubes which caused the plane to self-adjust to speeds that it shouldn't, and the pilots for whatever reason couldn't get it under control again.
Apparently they've issued information to pilots that Air France is currently replacing some suspicious parts on all their planes in response to this crash... just in case.
Would be curious to know what you pilots out there think of this news if you've seen the actual statement from them. Apparently it was "leaked" to the media.
The Associated Press: No wreckage found from doomed Air France plane
The way one guy in this article says something about being told to be prudent, I suspect it's the former.
Either the media is making something out of nothing, or what data they do have is very much influencing the theory that something happened with the Pitot Tubes which caused the plane to self-adjust to speeds that it shouldn't, and the pilots for whatever reason couldn't get it under control again.
Apparently they've issued information to pilots that Air France is currently replacing some suspicious parts on all their planes in response to this crash... just in case.
Would be curious to know what you pilots out there think of this news if you've seen the actual statement from them. Apparently it was "leaked" to the media.
The Associated Press: No wreckage found from doomed Air France plane
06-05-2009, 04:22 PM
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New Turb Speeds Just Out Today
For The A330-200 Only, Observe The Following Turbulence
Penetration Speed Schedule. 20,000 Feet And Below: 240 Kias,
Above 20,000 Feet: 260 Kias Until Interceptin .80 Mach.
The Turbulence Speed Schedule For The A330-300 Is Unaffected.
(240/260/.78).
For The A330-200 Only, Observe The Following Turbulence
Penetration Speed Schedule. 20,000 Feet And Below: 240 Kias,
Above 20,000 Feet: 260 Kias Until Interceptin .80 Mach.
The Turbulence Speed Schedule For The A330-300 Is Unaffected.
(240/260/.78).
06-06-2009, 05:48 AM
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Either the media is making something out of nothing, or what data they do have is very much influencing the theory that something happened with the Pitot Tubes which caused the plane to self-adjust to speeds that it shouldn't, and the pilots for whatever reason couldn't get it under control again.
Super cooled rain entered one of the static ports and froze blocking the port, whilst for whatever reason the other static port was not obstructed to the same degree.
The autopilot went nuts chasing the needles which is something every pilot has done at some time or another, only this time it was inside a CB super cell and the autopilot was also fighting sever turbulence.
During these manouveres ACARS reported Rudder full lock BEFORE other warnings developed.
The pilots tried to take manual control by which stage it was at an irrecoverable attitude and not at all clear what the correct recovery action was.
Wings over stressed and electrical connections to engine generators severed. By this stage it was tumbling and the last report was the beginning of explosive decompression.
06-06-2009, 08:08 AM
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Speculation
I am channel surfing and hear a local news broadcast say that a meteor may have brought down the Air France A330...Yeah it's gotten that bad. Said people in the Atlantic (on a ship I guess) saw a meteor or something coming down through the atmosphere. I hope the boxes are found so all of these so called news reporters can for once tell an actual and factual report. There is just way too much speculation in the media.
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