ANA JP Express or Air Japan??
10-24-2009, 06:40 AM
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10-25-2009, 07:48 AM
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This has been an ongoing discussion here for months now, as a matter of fact it was one of the big issues of friction between ANA and Japan post. We really don't know what they will do.
There has been no cancellation of contracts here since the outsourcing originally started on the 74's then the company negotiated with JAPA and the contracts where offered on the 76's all the pilots where offered positions on the 76's (with better T&C's) and some of them left for other 747 contracts and the rest where trained on the 76, some of them are still in the property today. There have been a handful of individuals who's contracts were not renewed by the company due to lets say, personality issues but the majority of individuals are offered a renewal
There has been no cancellation of contracts here since the outsourcing originally started on the 74's then the company negotiated with JAPA and the contracts where offered on the 76's all the pilots where offered positions on the 76's (with better T&C's) and some of them left for other 747 contracts and the rest where trained on the 76, some of them are still in the property today. There have been a handful of individuals who's contracts were not renewed by the company due to lets say, personality issues but the majority of individuals are offered a renewal
I am not saying that I think that will happen again, that is just my understanding of the history.
10-25-2009, 10:25 PM
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From my understanding of the history of the foreigners at ANA, there were a significant number of foreigners employed directly at ANA flying 747's based out of Sydney and some domestic based 767 and L1011 pilots in the 1990's. The company approached the union about concessions and their answer was they would only negotiate if all of the foreign pilots were put off of the property. The company agreed and the pilots contracts were terminated around 1995 or 1996. The only surviving group was World Air Service, which was their charter arm based out of Singapore. That shut down a few years later and then the certificate was resurrected in 2001 for AJX.
I am not saying that I think that will happen again, that is just my understanding of the history.
I am not saying that I think that will happen again, that is just my understanding of the history.
Thanks LIA, that coincides exactly with when I talked to the ex-ANA 767 driver in Taiwan.
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10-25-2009, 11:39 PM
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In 1996 I was chatting with a pilot in Taiwan who had lost his job with the ANA group because they went on a cost cutting spree. He was making $16,000/month plus benefits. Great gig, he said.
Hate to be a wet blanket, but given the troubles at JAL I suspect that the ANA contract pilots are going to be in for a rough time in the very near future. I wouldn't leave a good job ( or even a mediocre one ) to go to ANA in the current climate.
Hope I'm wrong, but my intuition is usually quite good.
Typhoonpilot
Hate to be a wet blanket, but given the troubles at JAL I suspect that the ANA contract pilots are going to be in for a rough time in the very near future. I wouldn't leave a good job ( or even a mediocre one ) to go to ANA in the current climate.
Hope I'm wrong, but my intuition is usually quite good.
Typhoonpilot
I base this on the projected profit that ANA expects for the year, and the planned growth that the runway extension at NRT and the 4th runway at HND will bring. ANA expects to expand their international flights at both of these airports and for the time being, the only way they can do that is with us. I also think that if you take a look at ANA in the 90's compared to now, they are a totally different airline. Remember that ANA originally was a domestic only carrier, and when the government allowed them to fly internationally, they went way overboard and wanted to fly everywhere, profitable or not. Very similar to JAL today. Notice that ANA no longer serves Australia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, only 3 cities in Europe, etc. Compare that with JAL who flies everywhere in a 747. ANA came to understand that if you can't make money on a route, then it needs to be cut. JAL has never understood this. The Hawaii market is a great example where ANA has 1 767 a day, and JAL flies a bazillion 747s.
Now this can all change tomorrow but based on the information available today, I would not think twice about recommending a friend come to work here. But, come here realizing that it is a temporary job and you are temporary help. Also, know that some agencies have different buyout terms if your contract is terminated due to economic reasons. I am with PARC and I get a 12 month payout. I believe CREW is only 3 months.
10-26-2009, 01:48 AM
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The only surviving group was World Air Service
Our existence here depends a great deal on the 787 program and the delivery schedule of the 777's we expect that due to the availability of slots with the expansion of HND and NRT then ANA will continue their expansion plans in the international market (their is very little domestic growth on the horizon) and with the expected growth and attrition that remains in deficit with their local hiring levels then they will not only keep the foreign pilots but will in fact have to increase the numbers, which is why they keep hiring although our block hours have been reduced after the economical downturn. Now if the 787 program goes bust and the world economy hits a double dip!! then they will have enough local man power to sustain their current fleet numbers and we are gone bye bye, we shall see but I'm not dusting the resume just yet
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