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06-20-2009, 09:54 AM
#531
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T1,
The definition of X-Country flight time isn't in the FAR's, unless you're talking about what's required to meet the aeronautical experience for a flight test.
Not sure why the FAA didn't have a problem with the way you logged it, to meet the requirements for an ATP. FAR 61.1 b 3 iv states that anytime you're 50nm away from the departure airport, you can log it for the purposes of an ATP.
The definition of X-Country flight time isn't in the FAR's, unless you're talking about what's required to meet the aeronautical experience for a flight test.
Not sure why the FAA didn't have a problem with the way you logged it, to meet the requirements for an ATP. FAR 61.1 b 3 iv states that anytime you're 50nm away from the departure airport, you can log it for the purposes of an ATP.
06-20-2009, 11:42 AM
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Kenny,
You are right about the current ATP requirements. I got mine in 1993 so maybe the requirements have changed since or maybe I just got lucky.
In the US the only time required to be logged by pilots is to show currency and aeronautical experience required for additional ratings and certificates. Most of these are covered by part 61 so the only reason we log time in US is to satisfy part 61 requirements.
Part 61.1 b 3 i:
(3) Cross-country time means—
(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
But there are as many opinions as there are pilots and nobody knows who really is right.
You are right about the current ATP requirements. I got mine in 1993 so maybe the requirements have changed since or maybe I just got lucky.
In the US the only time required to be logged by pilots is to show currency and aeronautical experience required for additional ratings and certificates. Most of these are covered by part 61 so the only reason we log time in US is to satisfy part 61 requirements.
Part 61.1 b 3 i:
(3) Cross-country time means—
(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
But there are as many opinions as there are pilots and nobody knows who really is right.
06-20-2009, 12:14 PM
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I am still trying to figure out what to put in the xc and solo block. I have only 1 column for xc, 1 column for pic, no column for solo. I have a few thousand hours of xc time, but do I need to go back and figure out what xc's were at a 2 different airports and more than 100km apart? Do I need to make a column for solo? Maybe I should email Alan?
johnny
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06-20-2009, 02:15 PM
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T1,
If you're ever frustrated by the "clear as mud" approach the FAA take in explaining things, be very thankful you'll never have to deal with their Australian counterpart and their regs. A complete nightmare!
Johhny,
When I had to fill out my form and this was a week ago, I made a point of making sure Alan was aware that because I've filled out my logbooks according to the FAA regs, they won't match what the JCAB would come up with, if they use their definitions. He said that was ok.
If you're ever frustrated by the "clear as mud" approach the FAA take in explaining things, be very thankful you'll never have to deal with their Australian counterpart and their regs. A complete nightmare!
Johhny,
When I had to fill out my form and this was a week ago, I made a point of making sure Alan was aware that because I've filled out my logbooks according to the FAA regs, they won't match what the JCAB would come up with, if they use their definitions. He said that was ok.
06-20-2009, 03:46 PM
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good luck
face
06-21-2009, 05:46 AM
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Hello JBG
You are complicating yourself a bit too much with the SOLO/XC issue in my view. You mentioned this in one of your earlier posts
Just go to your last logbook and pick any of those flights and that is what they want to know, it is as simple as that. Remember guys that there are pilots from all over the world working here and that they are used to different interpretations of regulations, just put a XC flight as you understand it and viola'
For the issue of SOLO flight, Why do they ask for this? simple, it is in an old ICAO format that the JCAB picked to base their logbooks on and it has a column dedicated to solo flight and because it is there of course it has to be filled, yes it is that simple. There is a simple solution for that too, now put away your latest logbook and go to your very first logbook and add up the hours that you flew without an instructor before you had your PPL, if it adds up 3.2 hours then you put that in the SOLO column (I have some silly irrelevant number like that on mine and yes, it is that simple) the important thing is to make sure that your hours are matched to the minute, your multi engine and single engine IMC time has to match to the minute with your total IMC time and so fourth, and they do mean to the minute and that is the important thing.
Good luck guys, hope to see you on the line some day
You are complicating yourself a bit too much with the SOLO/XC issue in my view. You mentioned this in one of your earlier posts
I did a years worth of state side flying to Hawaii and then a few years with the same airline flying domestic sked service. It is just funny that California to Hawaii doesn't count(2200 miles) for XC because we would only fly one leg, day off and then fly back.
Just go to your last logbook and pick any of those flights and that is what they want to know, it is as simple as that. Remember guys that there are pilots from all over the world working here and that they are used to different interpretations of regulations, just put a XC flight as you understand it and viola'
For the issue of SOLO flight, Why do they ask for this? simple, it is in an old ICAO format that the JCAB picked to base their logbooks on and it has a column dedicated to solo flight and because it is there of course it has to be filled, yes it is that simple. There is a simple solution for that too, now put away your latest logbook and go to your very first logbook and add up the hours that you flew without an instructor before you had your PPL, if it adds up 3.2 hours then you put that in the SOLO column (I have some silly irrelevant number like that on mine and yes, it is that simple) the important thing is to make sure that your hours are matched to the minute, your multi engine and single engine IMC time has to match to the minute with your total IMC time and so fourth, and they do mean to the minute and that is the important thing.
Good luck guys, hope to see you on the line some day
06-21-2009, 03:26 PM
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Dom,
Thank you! That makes things so much easier! Now, back to studying. Quick question about the sim ride. Is the first visual approach completely done without the AP? I know it is recommended at 3000. I suppose that everything happens so quick with that first visual that you may not have time to engage the AP? Just curious. Another question, how detailed do you get when they ask you about catII/catIII or etops? Do you just hit the high points?
Johnny
Thank you! That makes things so much easier! Now, back to studying. Quick question about the sim ride. Is the first visual approach completely done without the AP? I know it is recommended at 3000. I suppose that everything happens so quick with that first visual that you may not have time to engage the AP? Just curious. Another question, how detailed do you get when they ask you about catII/catIII or etops? Do you just hit the high points?
Johnny
06-21-2009, 03:50 PM
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Johnny,
All the patterns are done with the AP. All but the single engine are done with the AT. They all use the FD as well. These items all get turned off at specific points in the pattern, and that is something they want you to know. It is important to know the profile, the call outs, I also memorized my checklist responses. Have you received your sim profile packet yet? It is it pretty detailed and when you do the interview, you will be given another through briefing. You also get a "warm up" visual in which the walk you through and supposedly it is not part of your score...just lets you get a feel for the sim.
good luck,
face
All the patterns are done with the AP. All but the single engine are done with the AT. They all use the FD as well. These items all get turned off at specific points in the pattern, and that is something they want you to know. It is important to know the profile, the call outs, I also memorized my checklist responses. Have you received your sim profile packet yet? It is it pretty detailed and when you do the interview, you will be given another through briefing. You also get a "warm up" visual in which the walk you through and supposedly it is not part of your score...just lets you get a feel for the sim.
good luck,
face
06-24-2009, 11:17 AM
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Face,
Yes, I did get the briefing packet, but I did notice that when the AP is disengaged, the AT should be disengaged as well. So, can the AT be engaged all the time or not? Also, when do you call for the climb power setting? At 1500AFE? We used to engage VNAV and the FMC thru the AT would set climb power for ya, but this I am not sure? 2 more weeks to go!
Johnny
Yes, I did get the briefing packet, but I did notice that when the AP is disengaged, the AT should be disengaged as well. So, can the AT be engaged all the time or not? Also, when do you call for the climb power setting? At 1500AFE? We used to engage VNAV and the FMC thru the AT would set climb power for ya, but this I am not sure? 2 more weeks to go!
Johnny
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