ANA JP Express or Air Japan??
03-03-2014, 05:56 AM
#1141
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Joined APC: Jan 2012
Position: B744/B748
Posts: 38
Sorry to hear that Holdingoverndb!
I'm quite certain, based on your detailed review and also your experience (over 4000 hours on B737 and almost 10k total right?), that the SIM wasn't the reason. I'm sure you can handle a "larger" 737 in a sim session, specially when well prepared as you apparently were.
You really never can tell when it comes to the Japanese and how the select their pilots. I personally know an unspecified number of candidates that started their careers in P2F (pay-to-fly) schemes not that long ago...so not exactly the best of backgrounds...and got offered a position with AJX! Really makes you wonder...
One reason could be if you happen to belong to the "wrong sex", as there seems to be currently an unwritten rule on not hiring pilots who wear a bra. Not my personal opinion (some of the best professionals I've ever flown with smelled nicer than me), but just what I've noticed and also been told by people in the company. I personally believe this is outrageous, but Japan being such a male dominant society you never know.
No I don't work for AJX, but know lots of guys that do, and I've been in Japan enough to notice a few things.
Hope you find your place in the sun soon.
Fly safe!
"The only good luck many great men ever had was being born with the ability and determination to overcome bad luck" - Pollock
I'm quite certain, based on your detailed review and also your experience (over 4000 hours on B737 and almost 10k total right?), that the SIM wasn't the reason. I'm sure you can handle a "larger" 737 in a sim session, specially when well prepared as you apparently were.
You really never can tell when it comes to the Japanese and how the select their pilots. I personally know an unspecified number of candidates that started their careers in P2F (pay-to-fly) schemes not that long ago...so not exactly the best of backgrounds...and got offered a position with AJX! Really makes you wonder...
One reason could be if you happen to belong to the "wrong sex", as there seems to be currently an unwritten rule on not hiring pilots who wear a bra. Not my personal opinion (some of the best professionals I've ever flown with smelled nicer than me), but just what I've noticed and also been told by people in the company. I personally believe this is outrageous, but Japan being such a male dominant society you never know.
No I don't work for AJX, but know lots of guys that do, and I've been in Japan enough to notice a few things.
Hope you find your place in the sun soon.
Fly safe!
"The only good luck many great men ever had was being born with the ability and determination to overcome bad luck" - Pollock
03-03-2014, 06:11 AM
#1142
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: Phoenix
Posts: 732
Sorry to hear that Holdingoverndb!
I'm quite certain, based on your detailed review and also your experience (over 4000 hours on B737 and almost 10k total right?), that the SIM wasn't the reason. I'm sure you can handle a "larger" 737 in a sim session, specially when well prepared as you apparently were.
You really never can tell when it comes to the Japanese and how the select their pilots. I personally know an unspecified number of candidates that started their careers in P2F (pay-to-fly) schemes not that long ago...so not exactly the best of backgrounds...and got offered a position with AJX! Really makes you wonder...
One reason could be if you happen to belong to the "wrong sex", as there seems to be currently an unwritten rule on not hiring pilots who wear a bra. Not my personal opinion (some of the best professionals I've ever flown with smelled nicer than me), but just what I've noticed and also been told by people in the company. I personally believe this is outrageous, but Japan being such a male dominant society you never know.
No I don't work for AJX, but know lots of guys that do, and I've been in Japan enough to notice a few things.
Hope you find your place in the sun soon.
Fly safe!
"The only good luck many great men ever had was being born with the ability and determination to overcome bad luck" - Pollock
I'm quite certain, based on your detailed review and also your experience (over 4000 hours on B737 and almost 10k total right?), that the SIM wasn't the reason. I'm sure you can handle a "larger" 737 in a sim session, specially when well prepared as you apparently were.
You really never can tell when it comes to the Japanese and how the select their pilots. I personally know an unspecified number of candidates that started their careers in P2F (pay-to-fly) schemes not that long ago...so not exactly the best of backgrounds...and got offered a position with AJX! Really makes you wonder...
One reason could be if you happen to belong to the "wrong sex", as there seems to be currently an unwritten rule on not hiring pilots who wear a bra. Not my personal opinion (some of the best professionals I've ever flown with smelled nicer than me), but just what I've noticed and also been told by people in the company. I personally believe this is outrageous, but Japan being such a male dominant society you never know.
No I don't work for AJX, but know lots of guys that do, and I've been in Japan enough to notice a few things.
Hope you find your place in the sun soon.
Fly safe!
"The only good luck many great men ever had was being born with the ability and determination to overcome bad luck" - Pollock
03-05-2014, 01:14 PM
#1143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 769
They make you pay for your hotel now? Lame. They wanted to charge you $300 to change the ticket on their airline to go home? Lame. Things have changed there it sounds in the past few years, at least in regards to the interview. Hopefully flying the line has been better.
Something better will come along.
Something better will come along.
03-15-2014, 12:14 PM
#1144
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,288
Well that post made me realize that if I get offered to proceed further with this application and interview process that I will need to prepare more. Does anyone know of a place in the US that does any type of 767 sim prep? Or would Microsoft Flight Sim be the best option here?
03-19-2014, 08:47 AM
#1145
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: FO
Posts: 81
B767 training
You can search the internet, follow this link https://www.google.com/search?q=b767...&client=Safari, or just go to pan am academy. A number of them will sell you hourly sim time for a job prep.
Biggie
Biggie
03-27-2014, 05:39 AM
#1146
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 12
Class date
Hey everybody, just got word on a class date! I'm really excited but I have a few questions for those of you that have been or are currently going through the process. How long is the initial training stint before the 2 week break? Second question, do you get W2 forms with your pay stub on ADP? Thanks in advance and hope to see everyone around.
03-27-2014, 07:42 AM
#1147
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 131
Hey everybody, just got word on a class date! I'm really excited but I have a few questions for those of you that have been or are currently going through the process. How long is the initial training stint before the 2 week break? Second question, do you get W2 forms with your pay stub on ADP? Thanks in advance and hope to see everyone around.
The same way you benefited from other people's posting on the thread, many other will benefit if you would write about your experience with the whole process.
When you take something, try to give something back in return too. The "2 way street" goes a long way in life.
Thanks in advance.
03-27-2014, 12:30 PM
#1148
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 12
class date
Congratulations on the class date and I am sure this thread was of some assistance to you in the hiring process.
The same way you benefited from other people's posting on the thread, many other will benefit if you would write about your experience with the whole process.
When you take something, try to give something back in return too. The "2 way street" goes a long way in life.
Thanks in advance.
The same way you benefited from other people's posting on the thread, many other will benefit if you would write about your experience with the whole process.
When you take something, try to give something back in return too. The "2 way street" goes a long way in life.
Thanks in advance.
My interview process was much the same as everyone else's that have given rundowns on this thread so I'll be brief in some spots as to not beat the horse dead. Step 1 phone interview. Asks if your still interested in a position, what your doing now, how you feel you'd respond being immersed in a different culture etc. About a week later got a phone call to sort out an interview date. In the mean time they asked if i'd like to buy some time in the 767 sim before the interview. It was under 1k for 2 hours, I said yes because I know from past experience that it's wise to help yourself as much as possible through these elaborate interview processes. I did the practice session after 2 others were through with their pre screen up in SEA. Study the profile that they send. Flat out memorization and repetition. Chair fly a few times a day, take notes, whatever method works for you. It's not a whole lot different from the 737. The cockpit is bigger, they moved a few things on the FGP and its push button instead of switches but it still feels familiar. If you're coming from a different plane, RJ, DHC8 or something, Jumpseat on a 767 and be the guy that rides upfront and asks questions. Tell the pilots what your going to do and they'll help as much as they can but, remember the profiles that AJX uses and go through them yourself.
About a month later I was on a flight to Tokyo for the interview. Same hotel as briefed previously. Get some rest, eat a good meal and try to relax as much as possible. Interview day, good suit, brush your teeth and meet your handler in the lobby at the proposed time. They will walk you through the days agenda and then go get some snacks from the 7eleven across the street. Show up, do the ATP written and then its into the room with all the Captains, for me it was about 5 Captains and 2 HR people. A full brief of the sim profile which takes about 30 min. The only question I had going in was do we have a flight attendant to keep in the loop during the V1 cut and subsequent ILS and they answered that before I could ask. No flight attendant on board. After that it was a short break in which you continue to work on your MMPI (psyche eval) and then the panel interview which has been briefed in detail before. Then another break while your fellow interviewee goes through the panel, again working on your MMPI. After they get done its another 30 minutes till one of you gets in the sim. I've never been in a simulator that packed before. I think there were 5 of us total in the box. Me, the copilot, guy running the sim and 2 other observers. Do the profile, nothing more, nothing less. If you mess something up don't mutter under your breath about it, just keep going. When the sim is done stand up, say thank you, shake hands with everyone and walk back to the room to finish your MMPI. When your interview partner finishes its back to the hotel. About 3 hours later we got the results. My interview partner unfortunately didn't make it through. Sucks, he was a nice guy but, I've been in his shoes before. Theres nothing else to say about it, it is a terrible feeling.
I got the next day off and the following day was the medical. The handler once again meets you in the lobby and you go to the med center which is attached to the airport. No tips here, you lie down when they say so, you stick your head in the eye thing when they say so, just an in depth flight physical. After that you head back home and wait. About 3 weeks later someone from the (psyche eval) company calls and you talk to them for about 30 min. Just kind of a recap of all 550+ questions you answered on the test. Seemed like a nice enough guy. Then it was another 2 or 3 weeks before I got the email saying I passed the screening and was in the pool and about another 2-3 weeks before I got the class date.
Throughout the whole process everyone is very kind and willing to help. They are very approachable if you have questions or need anything just ask. The biggest difficulty was the language barrier, if you don't understand what they're asking respectfully ask them to repeat the question, they'll do the same if they don't understand you. I'm very excited and humbled that I got through the process and have the opportunity to join the ranks at AJX. I'll try to monitor the board and my pm's if anyone has any other questions.
Thanks again to everyone that has posted valuable, actual intel and experiences with this process and good luck to everyone else going through!
03-27-2014, 03:45 PM
#1149
Enjoys working weekend
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 511
Thank you for the congratulatory statement. I actually didn't find this thread until after the physical and the waiting started to feel like it was taking forever. Someone already responded to my questions and I thank them for that. I planned on leaving a short brief after I got done with all the paperwork required to start the contract and that just got finished up. As far as the last part of your comment, I'll leave that alone in the name of professionalism.
My interview process was much the same as everyone else's that have given rundowns on this thread so I'll be brief in some spots as to not beat the horse dead. Step 1 phone interview. Asks if your still interested in a position, what your doing now, how you feel you'd respond being immersed in a different culture etc. About a week later got a phone call to sort out an interview date. In the mean time they asked if i'd like to buy some time in the 767 sim before the interview. It was under 1k for 2 hours, I said yes because I know from past experience that it's wise to help yourself as much as possible through these elaborate interview processes. I did the practice session after 2 others were through with their pre screen up in SEA. Study the profile that they send. Flat out memorization and repetition. Chair fly a few times a day, take notes, whatever method works for you. It's not a whole lot different from the 737. The cockpit is bigger, they moved a few things on the FGP and its push button instead of switches but it still feels familiar. If you're coming from a different plane, RJ, DHC8 or something, Jumpseat on a 767 and be the guy that rides upfront and asks questions. Tell the pilots what your going to do and they'll help as much as they can but, remember the profiles that AJX uses and go through them yourself.
About a month later I was on a flight to Tokyo for the interview. Same hotel as briefed previously. Get some rest, eat a good meal and try to relax as much as possible. Interview day, good suit, brush your teeth and meet your handler in the lobby at the proposed time. They will walk you through the days agenda and then go get some snacks from the 7eleven across the street. Show up, do the ATP written and then its into the room with all the Captains, for me it was about 5 Captains and 2 HR people. A full brief of the sim profile which takes about 30 min. The only question I had going in was do we have a flight attendant to keep in the loop during the V1 cut and subsequent ILS and they answered that before I could ask. No flight attendant on board. After that it was a short break in which you continue to work on your MMPI (psyche eval) and then the panel interview which has been briefed in detail before. Then another break while your fellow interviewee goes through the panel, again working on your MMPI. After they get done its another 30 minutes till one of you gets in the sim. I've never been in a simulator that packed before. I think there were 5 of us total in the box. Me, the copilot, guy running the sim and 2 other observers. Do the profile, nothing more, nothing less. If you mess something up don't mutter under your breath about it, just keep going. When the sim is done stand up, say thank you, shake hands with everyone and walk back to the room to finish your MMPI. When your interview partner finishes its back to the hotel. About 3 hours later we got the results. My interview partner unfortunately didn't make it through. Sucks, he was a nice guy but, I've been in his shoes before. Theres nothing else to say about it, it is a terrible feeling.
I got the next day off and the following day was the medical. The handler once again meets you in the lobby and you go to the med center which is attached to the airport. No tips here, you lie down when they say so, you stick your head in the eye thing when they say so, just an in depth flight physical. After that you head back home and wait. About 3 weeks later someone from the (psyche eval) company calls and you talk to them for about 30 min. Just kind of a recap of all 550+ questions you answered on the test. Seemed like a nice enough guy. Then it was another 2 or 3 weeks before I got the email saying I passed the screening and was in the pool and about another 2-3 weeks before I got the class date.
Throughout the whole process everyone is very kind and willing to help. They are very approachable if you have questions or need anything just ask. The biggest difficulty was the language barrier, if you don't understand what they're asking respectfully ask them to repeat the question, they'll do the same if they don't understand you. I'm very excited and humbled that I got through the process and have the opportunity to join the ranks at AJX. I'll try to monitor the board and my pm's if anyone has any other questions.
Thanks again to everyone that has posted valuable, actual intel and experiences with this process and good luck to everyone else going through!
My interview process was much the same as everyone else's that have given rundowns on this thread so I'll be brief in some spots as to not beat the horse dead. Step 1 phone interview. Asks if your still interested in a position, what your doing now, how you feel you'd respond being immersed in a different culture etc. About a week later got a phone call to sort out an interview date. In the mean time they asked if i'd like to buy some time in the 767 sim before the interview. It was under 1k for 2 hours, I said yes because I know from past experience that it's wise to help yourself as much as possible through these elaborate interview processes. I did the practice session after 2 others were through with their pre screen up in SEA. Study the profile that they send. Flat out memorization and repetition. Chair fly a few times a day, take notes, whatever method works for you. It's not a whole lot different from the 737. The cockpit is bigger, they moved a few things on the FGP and its push button instead of switches but it still feels familiar. If you're coming from a different plane, RJ, DHC8 or something, Jumpseat on a 767 and be the guy that rides upfront and asks questions. Tell the pilots what your going to do and they'll help as much as they can but, remember the profiles that AJX uses and go through them yourself.
About a month later I was on a flight to Tokyo for the interview. Same hotel as briefed previously. Get some rest, eat a good meal and try to relax as much as possible. Interview day, good suit, brush your teeth and meet your handler in the lobby at the proposed time. They will walk you through the days agenda and then go get some snacks from the 7eleven across the street. Show up, do the ATP written and then its into the room with all the Captains, for me it was about 5 Captains and 2 HR people. A full brief of the sim profile which takes about 30 min. The only question I had going in was do we have a flight attendant to keep in the loop during the V1 cut and subsequent ILS and they answered that before I could ask. No flight attendant on board. After that it was a short break in which you continue to work on your MMPI (psyche eval) and then the panel interview which has been briefed in detail before. Then another break while your fellow interviewee goes through the panel, again working on your MMPI. After they get done its another 30 minutes till one of you gets in the sim. I've never been in a simulator that packed before. I think there were 5 of us total in the box. Me, the copilot, guy running the sim and 2 other observers. Do the profile, nothing more, nothing less. If you mess something up don't mutter under your breath about it, just keep going. When the sim is done stand up, say thank you, shake hands with everyone and walk back to the room to finish your MMPI. When your interview partner finishes its back to the hotel. About 3 hours later we got the results. My interview partner unfortunately didn't make it through. Sucks, he was a nice guy but, I've been in his shoes before. Theres nothing else to say about it, it is a terrible feeling.
I got the next day off and the following day was the medical. The handler once again meets you in the lobby and you go to the med center which is attached to the airport. No tips here, you lie down when they say so, you stick your head in the eye thing when they say so, just an in depth flight physical. After that you head back home and wait. About 3 weeks later someone from the (psyche eval) company calls and you talk to them for about 30 min. Just kind of a recap of all 550+ questions you answered on the test. Seemed like a nice enough guy. Then it was another 2 or 3 weeks before I got the email saying I passed the screening and was in the pool and about another 2-3 weeks before I got the class date.
Throughout the whole process everyone is very kind and willing to help. They are very approachable if you have questions or need anything just ask. The biggest difficulty was the language barrier, if you don't understand what they're asking respectfully ask them to repeat the question, they'll do the same if they don't understand you. I'm very excited and humbled that I got through the process and have the opportunity to join the ranks at AJX. I'll try to monitor the board and my pm's if anyone has any other questions.
Thanks again to everyone that has posted valuable, actual intel and experiences with this process and good luck to everyone else going through!
Thanks for the run down. Were you in process with Crew resource out of HI?
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